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JICSLP'98 Post-Conference Workshop on |
Automated Software Engineering and Logic Programming
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Saturday 20 June 1998 |
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List of Participants
| Name | Email Address |
| Nicoletta Cocco | cocco@dsi.unive.it |
| Pierre Flener | pf@cs.bilkent.edu.tr |
| Norbert Fuchs | fuchs@ifi.unizh.ch |
| Jan Hric | hric@ksi.ms.mff.cuni.cz |
| Tim Kremann | twk@thematrix.ncsc.mil |
| Kung-Kiu Lau | kung-kiu@cs.man.ac.uk |
| Michael Leuschel | mal@ecs.soton.ac.uk |
| Bern Martens | Bern.Martens@cs.kuleuven.ac.be |
| Brad Martin | wbmarti@kestrel.edu |
| Julian Richardson | julianr@dai.ed.ac.uk |
| Steven Roach | sroach@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov |
| Dave Robertson | dr@dai.ed.ac.uk |
| Petr Stepanek | stepanek@ksi.ms.mff.cuni.cz |
| Wamberto Vasconcelos | wvasconcelos@acm.org |
| Walter Wilson | wwilson3@csc.com |
Record of Meeting
The meeting was conducted as a round-table discussion by Kung-Kiu
Lau in an informal manner. A brief summary follows.
Themes and Goals
The discussion was focused on 2 themes:
- automated software engineering and logic programming (LP)
- relations/links between the conferences LOPSTR (Logic-based
Program Synthesis and Transformation, formerly Logic Program
Synthesis and Transformation) and ASE (IEEE
International Automated Software Engineering Conference - formerly
Knowledge-based Software Engineering)
Whilst the first theme was mainly intended for the LOPSTR people present
(who were the majority), the second theme benefited from the
presence of Tim Kremann, Brad Martin and Steven Roach, who are
associated with the ASE conference. The ASE/LOPSTR theme took up most
of the discussion time, since the ase/lp theme was too broad an
issue to tackle in such a brief time.
On the automated software engineering/LP theme, it was generally
agreed that LP,
in particular
its relevance for Software Engineering (SE), is somewhat
misunderstood by the SE community. It was also agreed that the LP
community should identify more clearly the role of lp in the Software
Life Cyle. On the whole, the LP community has so far failed to address SE properly,
despite the Practical Applications conferences.
Both LOPSTR and ASE aim to take up the challenge of making an impact
on mainstream SE. LOPSTR will continue to place its emphasis on
logic-based techniques, while ASE will take a more general Formal
Methods stance but with automation as its key objective. Both ASE and
LOPSTR agree that the way to achieve this goal is to study relevant theory,
design practical techniques and tools, and conduct suitable empirical
studies.
Where we are now (ASE and LOPSTR)
A brief survey of LOPSTR and ASE, and a comparison between the two,
concluded that:
- both LOPSTR and ASE tend to concentrate on very narrow
theoretical perspectives, and tend to use only toy examples (althouh
ASE does have some large examples).
- ASE has some real applications and systems (KIDS, Amphion,
Specware, Planware). LOPSTR at
present has no real applications/systems, though the potential is there.
What we should do (ASE and LOPSTR)
It was agreed that it would be desirable for ASE and LOPSTR to
- encourage their respective communities to submit papers to
each other's conferences
- encourage invitations to each other to
present tutorials at each other's conferences
- select suitable PCs in order to ensure a
balance between theoretical and practical/empirical papers, so that
papers will be relevant to ase in general
- co-locate when and if possible.
What LOPSTR should do
On top of these, the LOPSTR people present also agreed that
- the LOPSTR home page should be improved, with a clear mission
statement on LOPSTR's 3 main goals:
- to study relevant theory for SE
- to emphasise engineering aspects of proposed methods
- to demonstrate relevance of theory and proposed methods to SE
- LOPSTR should continue to nurture existing industrial links,
e.g. with Prolog
Development Center (Denmark) and IF Computer GmbH (Germany)
- LOPSTR should publicise its activities more widely, e.g. by having
links to its home page from the home pages of Compulog Net, ASE and ALP.
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