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Note: If you are seeing it in rmail, Note: it means the file has no messages in it.  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Fri Jul 13 16:20:00 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 16:20:00 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15L4jY-0001Xk-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 16:20:00 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id QAA25590; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 16:19:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA22603; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 11:18:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22583 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 11:17:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11493 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 11:17:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA11471 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 11:17:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bloodaxe.demon.co.uk ([194.222.19.128]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15L4hO-000Jbp-0Y for FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 16:17:47 +0100 Message-ID: <475kTECYJuT7EwJ6@bloodaxe.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 12:58:16 +0100 X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu From: Andrea J Chee Subject: Re: (OT) Words (was Re: Guy) References: <001801c10af5$80cd7ba0$9d41fc9e@oemcomputer> In-Reply-To: <001801c10af5$80cd7ba0$9d41fc9e@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 U <53FqO0TonWD1n3Vxbi7E3Jm7x8> Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 12:58:16 +0100 To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu From: Andrea J Chee Subject: Re: (OT) Words (was Re: Guy) Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu In article <001801c10af5$80cd7ba0$9d41fc9e@oemcomputer>, James Young writes > Dictionary.org, I believe it was, has some doozies that I >caught. And all of them (excepting the OED version online which one >needs a subscription to use anyway) are usage dictionaries from my >experience and so give precedence to the most common pronunciation, >even if that pronunciation is wrong. Interestingly, my OED (the two-volume 'Shorter' since I still haven't been able to justify shelling out the cash for the full beast) quotes only the 'fort' pronunciation for the meaning in question. - ANDREA -- Get PAID for the emails you already send and receive! http://www.mailround.com/ Referrer: andrea@bloodaxe.com ^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^ ANDROMEDA - Internet Goddess http://www.bloodaxe.com/ Bloodaxe's History Links: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/5055/ The Loony Bin Archive: http://loonies.net800.co.uk/  1,, X-Coding-System: iso-latin-1-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Fri Jul 13 16:42:34 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 16:42:34 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15L55O-0001oZ-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 16:42:34 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id QAA26235; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 16:42:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA23987; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 11:32:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23978 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 11:32:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24269 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 11:32:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail006.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail006.syd.optusnet.com.au [203.2.75.230]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA24239 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 11:32:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wolf (perax4-159.dialup.optusnet.com.au [198.142.81.159]) by mail006.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f6DFW9r04776 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 01:32:10 +1000 X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "David Pengelley" To: Subject: RE: (OT) Words (was Re: Guy) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 23:33:06 +0800 Message-ID: <002b01c10bb1$1e6f1d80$2100a8c0@pengelley.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <475kTECYJuT7EwJ6@bloodaxe.demon.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by elist01.mail.cornell.edu id LAA23978 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by m1.cs.man.ac.uk id QAA26235 *** EOOH *** From: "David Pengelley" To: Subject: RE: (OT) Words (was Re: Guy) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 23:33:06 +0800 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu I always have said it For-tay, as in "Swimming is not my forté" meaning not so good at it. As far as I know that’s how most everyone I know here in oz would say and interpret it it. Fort by itself is a completely different word pertaining to large building made of rock with archers in the towers and pitch and naptha ready to be poured upon the wall scalers. Unless you are speaking of the ubiquitous "Pillow Fort" known by most people who were ever children. CW > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu > [mailto:owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Andrea J Chee > Sent: Friday, 13 July 2001 7:58 PM > To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu > Subject: Re: (OT) Words (was Re: Guy) > > > In article <001801c10af5$80cd7ba0$9d41fc9e@oemcomputer>, James Young > writes > > > Dictionary.org, I believe it was, has some doozies that I > >caught. And all of them (excepting the OED version online which one > >needs a subscription to use anyway) are usage dictionaries from my > >experience and so give precedence to the most common pronunciation, > >even if that pronunciation is wrong. > > Interestingly, my OED (the two-volume 'Shorter' since I still haven't > been able to justify shelling out the cash for the full beast) quotes > only the 'fort' pronunciation for the meaning in question. > > - ANDREA > > -- > Get PAID for the emails you already send and receive! > http://www.mailround.com/ Referrer: andrea@bloodaxe.com > ^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^ > ANDROMEDA - Internet Goddess > http://www.bloodaxe.com/ > Bloodaxe's History Links: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/5055/ > The Loony Bin Archive: http://loonies.net800.co.uk/ >  1, edited,, X-Coding-System: iso-latin-1-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Fri Jul 13 19:18:16 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 19:18:16 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15L7W4-0003Ue-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 19:18:16 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id TAA00732; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 19:18:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA02413; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 14:13:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02398 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 14:12:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25856 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 14:12:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail50.fg.online.no (mail50-s.fg.online.no [148.122.161.50]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25778 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 14:12:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firestorm (ti10a61-0038.dialup.online.no [130.67.82.166]) by mail50.fg.online.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA03448 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 20:12:53 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <000301c10bc7$598c9f30$a6524382@firestorm> X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "Ragnar E. Sørensen" To: References: <000701c10b4a$8f7ca2c0$fe564382@firestorm> Subject: Re: [OT] Merlin Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 20:12:15 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by m1.cs.man.ac.uk id TAA00732 *** EOOH *** From: "Ragnar E. Sørensen" To: Subject: Re: [OT] Merlin Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 20:12:15 +0200 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu That's the one David. Well seeing as I interpret the feedback as positive and after all that it is only $10, I'll be off to get it about now. Of course if there is one thing I hate almost as much as buying books I don't like, its buying films I don't like, in both cases price doesn't matter, I'd rather throw $10 out the window or use it as toilet paper than buy a bad book/movie with it. Of course $10 is also 4.5 frozen pizza's or so, the food with all the nutritions (tomato sauce, ham, peppers and cheese) a student need to survive. I guess finding a film that isn't a "digest" version of any good book, story or legend isn't all that easy anyway? At least now I know what I will be doing for about 150 minutes or so later today. ;-) Thank you all for helping me make up my mind. Sincerely, Ragnar E. Sørensen  1, edited,, X-Coding-System: iso-latin-1-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Fri Jul 13 21:57:03 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 21:57:03 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15L9zj-0004k9-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 21:57:03 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id VAA04311; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 21:57:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA10519; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 16:51:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA10505 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 16:51:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23732 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 16:51:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.50]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA23690 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 16:50:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (sdn-ar-002albirmP048.dialsprint.net [158.252.66.160]) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA07309 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 13:50:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <002601c10bdd$533d78a0$a042fc9e@oemcomputer> X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "James Young" To: References: <002b01c10bb1$1e6f1d80$2100a8c0@pengelley.com> Subject: Re: (OT) Words (was Re: Guy) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 15:49:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by m1.cs.man.ac.uk id VAA04311 *** EOOH *** From: "James Young" To: Subject: Re: (OT) Words (was Re: Guy) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 15:49:33 -0500 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu > I always have said it For-tay, as in "Swimming is not my forté" meaning > not so good at it. As far as I know that's how most everyone I know here > in oz would say and interpret it it. Which is wrong (I won't debate the "languages change by popular demand" argument right now). Again most people mistake skill at something pronunciation for the musical sound decription pronunciation. It is a VERY common error. As are a lot of other mispronounced words. It doesn't help that the Journalists don't seem to get it right either. > Fort by itself is a completely different word pertaining to large > building made of rock with archers in the towers and pitch and naptha > ready to be poured upon the wall scalers. Unless you are speaking of the > ubiquitous "Pillow Fort" known by most people who were ever children. Forte's definitions have been posted as have the pronunciation guides as the AHD states, and I assume some of you who have regular access to the OED could post those. But the topic has dragged out far enough from the origional topic to warrent this going to private e-mail from here on out.  1, edited,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Fri Jul 13 21:57:05 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 21:57:05 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15L9zl-0004kD-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 21:57:05 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id VAA04315; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 21:57:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA10406; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 16:47:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA10397 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 16:47:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28167 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 16:47:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.50]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA28126 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 16:47:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (sdn-ar-002albirmP048.dialsprint.net [158.252.66.160]) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA17348 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 13:47:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <002001c10bdc$d05ab240$a042fc9e@oemcomputer> X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "James Young" To: References: <001801c10af5$80cd7ba0$9d41fc9e@oemcomputer> <475kTECYJuT7EwJ6@bloodaxe.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: (OT) Words (was Re: Guy) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 15:45:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** From: "James Young" To: Subject: Re: (OT) Words (was Re: Guy) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 15:45:52 -0500 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu That is probably because people in the UK still have a grasp on the English Language. American pop culture (which is the guilty party for a lot of mispronunciations) coupled with poor initial education in English grammar generally doesn't do too much for the language as a whole. I personally prefer the OED but will so with the AHD until I can do s you wish to: Justify the cost of the full OED. > > Dictionary.org, I believe it was, has some doozies that I > >caught. And all of them (excepting the OED version online which one > >needs a subscription to use anyway) are usage dictionaries from my > >experience and so give precedence to the most common pronunciation, > >even if that pronunciation is wrong. > > Interestingly, my OED (the two-volume 'Shorter' since I still haven't > been able to justify shelling out the cash for the full beast) quotes > only the 'fort' pronunciation for the meaning in question. > > - ANDREA >  1, edited,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Fri Jul 13 22:29:59 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 22:29:59 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15LAVa-00050F-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 22:29:58 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id WAA05237; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 22:29:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA12794; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 17:24:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12785 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 17:24:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18783 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 17:24:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.col.ameritech.net (mpdr0.columbus.oh.ameritech.net [206.141.239.62]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18767 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 17:24:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from robm ([206.141.203.15]) by mailhost.col.ameritech.net (InterMail v4.01.01.07 201-229-111-110) with SMTP id <20010713212433.OROR5151.mailhost.col.ameritech.net@robm> for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 17:24:33 -0400 Message-ID: <008901c10be2$44d97160$0301a8c0@robm> Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "Scott Shablak" To: Subject: Raising the dead Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 17:24:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" *** EOOH *** Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu From: "Scott Shablak" To: Subject: Raising the dead Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 17:24:56 -0400 Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu I know that a while back the origin of the World Series and it's name was debated for a while. I came across a debunking web page that was about the same topic. This seems to refute the answer I thought was the most convincing, which was also the one Ray provided. http://www.snopes2.com/business/names/worldser.htm I was hoping that Ray might take a look and give his input. Thanks Scott Shablak  1, edited,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sat Jul 14 00:55:05 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 00:55:05 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15LCm1-00068A-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 00:55:05 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id AAA08489; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 00:55:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA18512; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 19:49:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA18503 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 19:49:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27520 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 19:49:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.san.rr.com (smtp3.san.rr.com [24.25.195.40]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA27507 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 19:49:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (24-165-28-33.san.rr.com [24.165.28.33]) by smtp3.san.rr.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6DNoSa18993 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 16:50:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107132350.f6DNoSa18993@smtp3.san.rr.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 16:49:28 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.388) X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: Raymond Feist To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v388) In-Reply-To: <008901c10be2$44d97160$0301a8c0@robm> Subject: Re: Raising the dead Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1 *** EOOH *** Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 16:49:28 -0700 From: Raymond Feist To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: Raising the dead Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu On Friday, July 13, 2001, at 02:24 PM, Scott Shablak wrote: > I know that a while back the origin of the World Series and it's name > was debated for a while. I came across a debunking web page that was > about the same topic. This seems to refute the answer I thought was > the most convincing, which was also the one Ray provided. > http://www.snopes2.com/business/names/worldser.htm > > I was hoping that Ray might take a look and give his input. > > Thanks > Scott Shablak That's what I had always been told, so it's a well established urban myth if that's what it is. Best, R.E.F.  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sat Jul 14 07:15:39 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 07:15:39 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15LIiJ-0001TW-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 07:15:39 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id HAA13398; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 07:15:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA29442; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 02:10:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA29419 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 02:10:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA11688 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 02:10:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow025o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.125]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA11679 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 02:10:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cableinet.co.uk ([213.48.10.17]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Sat, 14 Jul 2001 07:10:16 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 07:08:44 +0100 X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu From: John Subject: Re: Murder in Lamut References: <010c01c10b80$7b1556c0$f1f6fea9@oemcomputer> <200107131348.f6DDmha05539@smtp3.san.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <200107131348.f6DDmha05539@smtp3.san.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-Beta-5-U () Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 07:08:44 +0100 To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu From: John Subject: Re: Murder in Lamut User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-Beta-5-U () Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Raymond Feist writes >About 100+ pages and in November. > >Best, R.E.F. Ray, where does it come in the time line ? Before Honoured Enemy After ? Do you have an approximate reference in the Riftwar where we can place it in the timeline Also is there a name for the Jimmy the Hand Story, which we know from what you have said starts with Arutha giving him his Rapier at the docks of Krondor BTW if you decide to change any of those 100 pages, I am sure there are a few of us who could decorate our rooms with them, very unique wallpaper. best -- John john@crydee.com Books to read, and shelves to fill, http://www.crydee.com/ Ray's great books, just fit the bill. Raymond E Feist Ring http://www.crydee.com/refwebring/ringindex.htm  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sat Jul 14 11:06:53 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 11:06:53 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15LMK4-0003BQ-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 11:06:52 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id LAA16096; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 11:06:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA05952; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 06:01:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA05943 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 06:01:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA29303 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 06:01:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f74.law15.hotmail.com [64.4.23.74]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA29299 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 06:01:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 03:01:24 -0700 Received: from 195.156.245.2 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 10:01:24 GMT X-Originating-IP: [195.156.245.2] X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "niko korhonen" To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Finnish top ten Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 10:01:24 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jul 2001 10:01:24.0309 (UTC) FILETIME=[F0ADD850:01C10C4B] Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** X-Originating-IP: [195.156.245.2] From: "niko korhonen" To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Finnish top ten Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 10:01:24 -0000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jul 2001 10:01:24.0309 (UTC) FILETIME=[F0ADD850:01C10C4B] Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Hi! Just wanted to say that The Finnish Bookstore (biggest chain of bookstores in Finland) lists TOTG as number 7. in their English Paperback Top Ten list. It's the only fantasy book among Patricia Cornwell, Tom Clancy etc. So I guess Ray's doing pretty well up here in the north too! Niko Korhonen Biisoni@Hotmail.com 'One of the major mistakes people make is that they think manners are only the expression of happy ideas.' _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.  1,, X-Coding-System: iso-latin-1-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sat Jul 14 14:24:29 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 14:24:29 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15LPPI-0004d5-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 14:24:29 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id OAA18616; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 14:24:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA11094; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 09:18:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11085 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 09:18:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA00676 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 09:18:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f111.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.111]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00664 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 09:18:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 06:18:49 -0700 Received: from 209.117.44.152 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 13:18:48 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.117.44.152] X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "James Silva" To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: RE: (OT) Words (was Re: Guy) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 13:18:48 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jul 2001 13:18:49.0000 (UTC) FILETIME=[84AA4280:01C10C67] Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by m1.cs.man.ac.uk id OAA18616 *** EOOH *** X-Originating-IP: [209.117.44.152] From: "James Silva" To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: RE: (OT) Words (was Re: Guy) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 13:18:48 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jul 2001 13:18:49.0000 (UTC) FILETIME=[84AA4280:01C10C67] Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu I too, can not justify the expense of the OED, though if anyone would like to make a donation.... Anyhow, I used a few online dictionaries. I'll take your word that they are usage dictionaries. One was http://dictionary.cambridge.org, the other dictionary.com I would like to subscribe to the OED online but the price is outrageous. Think of how many online porn subscriptions I could get for that price. (Evil Grin!) Anyhow, I didn't actually realize that there was a difference between a usage dictinary and a (non-usage)? dictionary. I always assumed that a language was fluid and if a dictionary showed a particular pronunciation as the most common, then it was also the most correct, even if that was not the most common (and most correct) pronunciation some time in the past. I stand corrected. And since I do not have access to an OED, I will have to bow to your superior knowledge, or at least superior access to resources. (Again, Evil Grin). Adieu Jimmy PS, what is more correct? "Often" pronounced with or witout the T. I always thought it was without the T, but more and more I hear people pronouncing it with the T. It kinda aggravates me and I don't know why. >From: "David Pengelley" >Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu >To: >Subject: RE: (OT) Words (was Re: Guy) >Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 23:33:06 +0800 > >I always have said it For-tay, as in "Swimming is not my forté" meaning >not so good at it. As far as I know that?s how most everyone I know here >in oz would say and interpret it it. > >Fort by itself is a completely different word pertaining to large >building made of rock with archers in the towers and pitch and naptha >ready to be poured upon the wall scalers. Unless you are speaking of the >ubiquitous "Pillow Fort" known by most people who were ever children. > >CW > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu > > [mailto:owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Andrea J Chee > > Sent: Friday, 13 July 2001 7:58 PM > > To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu > > Subject: Re: (OT) Words (was Re: Guy) > > > > > > In article <001801c10af5$80cd7ba0$9d41fc9e@oemcomputer>, James Young > > writes > > > > > Dictionary.org, I believe it was, has some doozies that I > > >caught. And all of them (excepting the OED version online which one > > >needs a subscription to use anyway) are usage dictionaries from my > > >experience and so give precedence to the most common pronunciation, > > >even if that pronunciation is wrong. > > > > Interestingly, my OED (the two-volume 'Shorter' since I still haven't > > been able to justify shelling out the cash for the full beast) quotes > > only the 'fort' pronunciation for the meaning in question. > > > > - ANDREA > > > > -- > > Get PAID for the emails you already send and receive! > > http://www.mailround.com/ Referrer: andrea@bloodaxe.com > > ^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^ > > ANDROMEDA - Internet Goddess > > http://www.bloodaxe.com/ > > Bloodaxe's History Links: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/5055/ > > The Loony Bin Archive: http://loonies.net800.co.uk/ > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sat Jul 14 14:26:41 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 14:26:41 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15LPRR-0004dd-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 14:26:41 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id OAA18625; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 14:26:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA11111; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 09:21:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11102 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 09:20:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA15730 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 09:20:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f43.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.43]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA15723 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 09:20:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 06:20:55 -0700 Received: from 209.117.44.152 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 13:20:54 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.117.44.152] X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "James Silva" To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: (OT) Words (was Re: Guy) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 13:20:54 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jul 2001 13:20:55.0236 (UTC) FILETIME=[CFE85840:01C10C67] Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** X-Originating-IP: [209.117.44.152] From: "James Silva" To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: (OT) Words (was Re: Guy) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 13:20:54 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jul 2001 13:20:55.0236 (UTC) FILETIME=[CFE85840:01C10C67] Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Question, is AHD the American Heritage Dictionary???? Adieu Jimmy >From: "James Young" >Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu >To: >Subject: Re: (OT) Words (was Re: Guy) >Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 15:45:52 -0500 > > That is probably because people in the UK still have a grasp on >the English Language. American pop culture (which is the guilty >party for a lot of mispronunciations) coupled with poor initial >education in English grammar generally doesn't do too much for the >language as a whole. > I personally prefer the OED but will so with the AHD until I can >do s you wish to: Justify the cost of the full OED. > > > > Dictionary.org, I believe it was, has some doozies that I > > >caught. And all of them (excepting the OED version online which >one > > >needs a subscription to use anyway) are usage dictionaries from >my > > >experience and so give precedence to the most common >pronunciation, > > >even if that pronunciation is wrong. > > > > Interestingly, my OED (the two-volume 'Shorter' since I still >haven't > > been able to justify shelling out the cash for the full beast) >quotes > > only the 'fort' pronunciation for the meaning in question. > > > > - ANDREA > > > Q _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com  1, edited,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sat Jul 14 16:18:36 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 16:18:36 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15LRBj-0005Us-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 16:18:35 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id QAA20101; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 16:18:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA15882; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 11:13:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA15873 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 11:13:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06825 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 11:13:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.san.rr.com (smtp1.san.rr.com [24.25.195.37]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA06817 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 11:13:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (24-165-28-33.san.rr.com [24.165.28.33]) by smtp1.san.rr.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6EFET925315 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 08:14:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107141514.f6EFET925315@smtp1.san.rr.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 08:13:37 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.388) X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: Raymond Feist To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v388) In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Murder in Lamut Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii *** EOOH *** Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 08:13:37 -0700 From: Raymond Feist To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: Murder in Lamut Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu On Friday, July 13, 2001, at 11:08 PM, John wrote: > Raymond Feist writes >> About 100+ pages and in November. >> >> Best, R.E.F. > > Ray, where does it come in the time line ? Before Honoured Enemy > After ? Do you have an approximate reference in the Riftwar where we > can place it in the timeline It's about two years prior to HE. > > Also is there a name for the Jimmy the Hand Story, which we know from > what you have said starts with Arutha giving him his Rapier at the > docks of Krondor Yes, the book is titled Jimmy the Hand. > > BTW if you decide to change any of those 100 pages, I am sure there are > a few of us who could decorate our rooms with them, very unique > wallpaper. > John, you're beginning to scare me. Best, R.E.F.  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sat Jul 14 17:28:30 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 17:28:30 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15LSHN-0005yw-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 17:28:29 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id RAA20961; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 17:28:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA18106; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 12:21:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA18097 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 12:20:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09268 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 12:20:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f61.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.61]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09263 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 12:20:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 09:20:55 -0700 Received: from 209.117.44.152 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 16:20:55 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.117.44.152] X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "James Silva" To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: The Sauur and the Thunderhell Stepps Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 16:20:55 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jul 2001 16:20:55.0728 (UTC) FILETIME=[F580A300:01C10C80] Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** X-Originating-IP: [209.117.44.152] From: "James Silva" To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: The Sauur and the Thunderhell Stepps Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 16:20:55 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jul 2001 16:20:55.0728 (UTC) FILETIME=[F580A300:01C10C80] Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Since it has come to my attention that all of the posts that I have "initiated" have been sent in HTML,(unbeknowst to me until recently) and that many of you could not read them, I'm posting this question again. I'm pretty sure I got the HTML thing corrected. Anyhow, here goes: While rereading Shards of a Broken Crown, I came upon the section around page 125 where it is reported to Prince Patrick that the Sauur have attacked and butched a group of Kingdom Soldiers just south of the Thunderhell Stepps, as a warning that the Thunderhell Stepps are now claimed as Sauur territory. Patrick is pissed for two reasons: 1. The Sauur have butched Kingdom soldiers 2. The Sauur have annexed Kingdom territory. Everything I have read previously seems to indicate that the Thunderhell Stepps are outside of the Kingdom. (Most of my information comes from Silverthorn and Darkness at Sethanon as these two books deal most extensively with the Northlands). I was under the impression that Yabon Duchy was the border with the Northlands and that it was Yabon Duchy that monitored all the passes against goblin and Moredhel incursions, especially the Inclindel Gap, which lead from the Northlands into Kingdom territory. To get to my question. Is this correct? Is it truly the Thunderhell Stepps that Ray is talking about? If so, when did the Kingdom annex the Thunderhell Stepps section of the Northlands? I know there was talk about bringing Armengar into the Kingdom while Arutha, Martin, and Jimmy were there, but there was never anything officially said about it. If this is not the correct area, then where is it actually that the Sauur have annexed? Thanks for any insight you can give me. Adieu Jimmy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sat Jul 14 18:45:50 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 18:45:50 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15LTUE-0006YP-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 18:45:50 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id SAA22032; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 18:45:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA20449; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 13:40:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20440 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 13:40:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA05217 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 13:40:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f18.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.18]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05209 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 13:40:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 10:40:42 -0700 Received: from 209.117.44.152 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 17:40:41 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.117.44.152] X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "James Silva" To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: The Sauur and the Thunderhell Stepps Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 17:40:41 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jul 2001 17:40:42.0042 (UTC) FILETIME=[1A5E31A0:01C10C8C] Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** X-Originating-IP: [209.117.44.152] From: "James Silva" To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: The Sauur and the Thunderhell Stepps Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 17:40:41 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jul 2001 17:40:42.0042 (UTC) FILETIME=[1A5E31A0:01C10C8C] Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Excuse me, I mean butchered. I wouldn't want to presume about the Sauur's sexual preferences or outward Masculine/Feminine physical attributes. Adieu Jimmy >From: "James Silva" >Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu >To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu >Subject: The Sauur and the Thunderhell Stepps >Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 16:20:55 > >Since it has come to my attention that all of the posts that I have >"initiated" have been sent in HTML,(unbeknowst to me until recently) and >that many of you could not read them, I'm posting this question again. I'm >pretty sure I got the HTML thing corrected. Anyhow, here goes: > >While rereading Shards of a Broken Crown, I came upon the section around >page 125 where it is reported to Prince Patrick that the Sauur have >attacked >and butched a group of Kingdom Soldiers just south of the Thunderhell >Stepps, as a warning that the Thunderhell Stepps are now claimed as Sauur >territory. Patrick is pissed for two reasons: > > 1. The Sauur have butched Kingdom soldiers > 2. The Sauur have annexed Kingdom territory. > >Everything I have read previously seems to indicate that the Thunderhell >Stepps are outside of the Kingdom. (Most of my information comes from >Silverthorn and Darkness at Sethanon as these two books deal most >extensively with the Northlands). I was under the impression that Yabon >Duchy was the border with the Northlands and that it was Yabon Duchy that >monitored all the passes against goblin and Moredhel incursions, especially >the Inclindel Gap, which lead from the Northlands into Kingdom territory. > >To get to my question. Is this correct? Is it truly the Thunderhell Stepps >that Ray is talking about? If so, when did the Kingdom annex the >Thunderhell >Stepps section of the Northlands? I know there was talk about bringing >Armengar into the Kingdom while Arutha, Martin, and Jimmy were there, but >there was never anything officially said about it. > >If this is not the correct area, then where is it actually that the Sauur >have annexed? > >Thanks for any insight you can give me. > >Adieu > >Jimmy >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sat Jul 14 21:31:14 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 21:31:14 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15LW4I-00004X-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 21:31:14 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id VAA24730; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 21:31:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA25493; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 16:20:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA25484 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 16:20:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12348 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 16:20:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail004.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail004.syd.optusnet.com.au [203.2.75.228]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA12334 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 16:20:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wolf (perax5-136.dialup.optusnet.com.au [198.142.91.136]) by mail004.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f6EKKmY02182 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 06:20:48 +1000 X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "David Pengelley" To: Subject: RE: Murder in Lamut Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 04:22:23 +0800 Message-ID: <000a01c10ca2$b209b360$2100a8c0@pengelley.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <200107141514.f6EFET925315@smtp1.san.rr.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** From: "David Pengelley" To: Subject: RE: Murder in Lamut Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 04:22:23 +0800 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu [snip] > John, you're beginning to scare me. Only beginning? I thought it would be in the advanced stages of fear by now :) > Best, R.E.F. CW  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sun Jul 15 00:42:19 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 00:42:19 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15LZ3D-0001R2-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 00:42:19 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id AAA28173; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 00:42:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA00953; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 19:36:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA00944 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 19:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA29714 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 19:36:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yowie.cc.uq.edu.au (yowie.cc.uq.edu.au [130.102.2.2]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA29697 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 19:36:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from student.uq.edu.au (s356179@student.uq.edu.au [130.102.87.136]) by yowie.cc.uq.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03183 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 09:36:44 +1000 (GMT+1000) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 09:36:44 +1000 (GMT+1000) X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: Darragh Murray To: Subject: Re: The Sauur and the Thunderhell Stepps In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 09:36:44 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: Darragh Murray To: Subject: Re: The Sauur and the Thunderhell Stepps Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu S p o i l e r s p a c e > While rereading Shards of a Broken Crown, I came upon the section around > page 125 where it is reported to Prince Patrick that the Sauur have attacked > and butched a group of Kingdom Soldiers just south of the Thunderhell > Stepps, as a warning that the Thunderhell Stepps are now claimed as Sauur > territory. Patrick is pissed for two reasons: > 1. The Sauur have butched Kingdom soldiers > 2. The Sauur have annexed Kingdom territory. Patrick didn't know that the Sauur had annexed the Thunderhell Steppes. Pug is told that in coversation with Jawar (i think thats his name) > To get to my question. Is this correct? Is it truly the Thunderhell Stepps > that Ray is talking about? If so, when did the Kingdom annex the Thunderhell > Stepps section of the Northlands? I know there was talk about bringing > Armengar into the Kingdom while Arutha, Martin, and Jimmy were there, but > there was never anything officially said about it. I think the thunderhell steppes are below the duchies of Northwarden, Ironpass etc etc. Not in Moredhel territory. > If this is not the correct area, then where is it actually that the Sauur > have annexed? Thanks Darragh -=-= www.iamtheporkfireman.com [Email]: s356179@student.uq.edu.au [ICQ]: 114283262  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sun Jul 15 07:33:05 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 07:33:05 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15LfSi-0004qW-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 07:33:04 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id HAA02794; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 07:33:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA11857; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 02:19:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA11848 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 02:19:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA23072 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 02:19:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtppop2pub.verizon.net (smtppop2pub.gte.net [206.46.170.21]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA23064 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 02:19:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from JasonMartin (snjpca1-ar1-4-60-049-101.vz.dsl.gtei.net [4.60.49.101]) by smtppop2pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id BAA4839942 Sun, 15 Jul 2001 01:19:51 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000b01c10cf6$42208480$65313c04@vz.dsl.genuity.net> X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "Jason Martin" To: Subject: OT: Final Fantasy and the Riftwar Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 23:20:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** From: "Jason Martin" To: Subject: OT: Final Fantasy and the Riftwar Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 23:20:31 -0700 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Ok, just got done watching this movie, and I was very impressed with the visuals. I believe this movie will be tough to beat in the years to come for CGI movies. In fact the only team that can beat this movie, is the team that made it (Square Movies). I can honestly say that I would love to see a riftwar Movie done with this style. Flame me if you will, but I think this style of movie has the best chance of capturing the essence and style of Ray's books. And yes there were times in the Final Fantasy movie where I could not believe they were not real characters.. They looked that damn good. Not sure what movies prices are around the globe, but this movie was worth my $8 to see. If you are looking for a Visual Stunning movie then this is the movie to see, and the story line was pretty decent too! =) Later, Jason "Mas Tequila!" Red Vodoo- Sammy Hagar  1, edited,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sun Jul 15 10:37:13 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 10:37:13 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15LiKv-00069m-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 10:37:13 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id KAA04706; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 10:37:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA17075; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 05:28:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA17066 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 05:28:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA19528 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 05:28:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.iprimus.net.au (www02.pod02.corp.iprimus.net.au [203.134.65.107]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA19513 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 05:28:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from noaccess ([210.50.9.78]) by smtp02.iprimus.net.au with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3571); Sun, 15 Jul 2001 19:28:12 +1000 Message-ID: <001101c10d11$c84d5180$0dfefea9@noaccess> X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "James Roberts" To: References: <000b01c10cf6$42208480$65313c04@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Subject: Re: Final Fantasy and the Riftwar Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 19:37:35 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2001 09:28:12.0928 (UTC) FILETIME=[7822F800:01C10D10] Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** From: "James Roberts" To: Subject: Re: Final Fantasy and the Riftwar Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 19:37:35 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2001 09:28:12.0928 (UTC) FILETIME=[7822F800:01C10D10] Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Martin" To: Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 4:20 PM Subject: OT: Final Fantasy and the Riftwar > Ok, just got done watching this movie, and I was very impressed with the > visuals. I believe this movie will be tough to beat in the years to come > for CGI movies. In fact the only team that can beat this movie, is the team > that made it (Square Movies). I can honestly say that I would love to see a > riftwar Movie done with this style. Flame me if you will, but I think this > style of movie has the best chance of capturing the essence and style of > Ray's books. > And yes there were times in the Final Fantasy movie where I could not > believe they were not real characters.. They looked that damn good. Not > sure what movies prices are around the globe, but this movie was worth my $8 > to see. If you are looking for a Visual Stunning movie then this is the > movie to see, and the story line was pretty decent too! =) > > Later, > > Jason > "Mas Tequila!" > Red Vodoo- Sammy Hagar > Does the plot, halfway through the movie make a confusing & unexpecting u-turn? Because if it doesn't then it isn't really Final Fantasy. I'm not saying plot u-turns are a bad thing, its just that is what I am use to. By the way I have to confess I have just become addicted to one of the most addictive drugs known to mankind. Its called Everquest. God help me. Jamie  1, edited,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sun Jul 15 11:04:18 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 11:04:18 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15Lil8-0006L6-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 11:04:18 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id LAA04964; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 11:04:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA18338; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 05:55:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA18329 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 05:55:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA02922 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 05:55:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop1.pgtv.net ([209.202.162.111]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA02907 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 05:55:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dragon ([216.32.87.225]) by pop1.pgtv.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 35-68223U21000L2100S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 05:57:12 -0400 Message-ID: <001201c10d24$76b8c990$b802460a@dragon> X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: kuros@pgtv.net (kuros) To: References: <000b01c10cf6$42208480$65313c04@vz.dsl.genuity.net> <001101c10d11$c84d5180$0dfefea9@noaccess> Subject: Re: Final Fantasy and the Riftwar Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 04:51:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** From: kuros@pgtv.net (kuros) To: Subject: Re: Final Fantasy and the Riftwar Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 04:51:15 -0700 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu I thought the visuals in the Final Fantasy Movie were very good, though the lines were, in my opinion, a trifle goofy. The storyline was ok, but not the best. Kinda reminded of a sci-fi mutated Captain Planet episode. =) Was worth my $4.50. Jamie, if you're on the Tribunal server, look me up. =) I recently went back to EQ after 8 months abstinence. I wish they had a 12 step program for EQ, like they do with smoking...maybe an EQers Anonymous? Say goodbye to your social life, grades, family, and healthy food. Kuros ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Roberts" To: Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 2:37 AM Subject: Re: Final Fantasy and the Riftwar > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jason Martin" > To: > Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 4:20 PM > Subject: OT: Final Fantasy and the Riftwar > > > > Ok, just got done watching this movie, and I was very impressed with the > > visuals. I believe this movie will be tough to beat in the years to come > > for CGI movies. In fact the only team that can beat this movie, is the > team > > that made it (Square Movies). I can honestly say that I would love to see > a > > riftwar Movie done with this style. Flame me if you will, but I think this > > style of movie has the best chance of capturing the essence and style of > > Ray's books. > > And yes there were times in the Final Fantasy movie where I could not > > believe they were not real characters.. They looked that damn good. Not > > sure what movies prices are around the globe, but this movie was worth my > $8 > > to see. If you are looking for a Visual Stunning movie then this is the > > movie to see, and the story line was pretty decent too! =) > > > > Later, > > > > Jason > > "Mas Tequila!" > > Red Vodoo- Sammy Hagar > > > Does the plot, halfway through the movie make a confusing & unexpecting > u-turn? Because if it doesn't then it isn't really Final Fantasy. I'm not > saying plot u-turns are a bad thing, its just that is what I am use to. By > the way I have to confess I have just become addicted to one of the most > addictive drugs known to mankind. Its called Everquest. God help me. > > Jamie >  1, edited,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sun Jul 15 11:18:17 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 11:18:17 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15Liyf-0006QW-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 11:18:17 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id LAA05067; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 11:18:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA18917; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 06:06:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA18908 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 06:05:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA04816 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 06:05:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail008.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail008.syd.optusnet.com.au [203.2.75.232]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA04808 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 06:05:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (wdcax11-003.dialup.optusnet.com.au [198.142.111.3]) by mail008.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f6FA5p627425 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 20:05:51 +1000 Message-ID: <008201c10d17$4b7a4e00$f1f6fea9@oemcomputer> X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "A Irving" To: References: <000b01c10cf6$42208480$65313c04@vz.dsl.genuity.net> Subject: Re: Final Fantasy and the Riftwar Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 20:17:02 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** From: "A Irving" To: Subject: Re: Final Fantasy and the Riftwar Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 20:17:02 +1000 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu I get a uni discount at my local Birch, carrol and coyle-megaplex cinema, such that I only have to pay $6 AU but it is normally about $12 for an adult From: Jason Martin [snip] > Not > sure what movies prices are around the globe, but this movie was worth my $8 > to see. If you are looking for a Visual Stunning movie then this is the > movie to see, and the story line was pretty decent too! =) > > Later, > Jason CIAO, Aaron http://www.nightshadow.co.uk http://www.hallofworlds.net/kerr/main.php  1, edited,, X-Coding-System: iso-latin-1-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sun Jul 15 11:26:35 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 11:26:35 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15Lj6h-0006T3-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 11:26:35 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id LAA05173; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 11:26:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA19893; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 06:18:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA19867 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 06:17:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA09414 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 06:17:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop1.pgtv.net ([209.202.162.111]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA09407 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 06:17:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dragon ([216.32.87.225]) by pop1.pgtv.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 35-68223U21000L2100S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 06:19:47 -0400 Message-ID: <005501c10d27$9eb5ba40$b802460a@dragon> X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: kuros@pgtv.net (kuros) To: References: <000701c10b4a$8f7ca2c0$fe564382@firestorm> <000301c10bc7$598c9f30$a6524382@firestorm> Subject: Re: [OT] Merlin Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 05:13:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by m1.cs.man.ac.uk id LAA05173 *** EOOH *** From: kuros@pgtv.net (kuros) To: Subject: Re: [OT] Merlin Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 05:13:50 -0700 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Hmm. I believe they have a novelization of the Merlin movie. Its several novels, actually. The first one is called "The Old Magic", or something. I haven't had a chance to read it yet. I definetly liked the movie, one of the better Merlin stories I've seen/read. Kuros >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ragnar E. Sørensen" >To: >Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 11:12 AM >Subject: Re: [OT] Merlin > > >That's the one David. > >Well seeing as I interpret the feedback as positive and after all that it is >only $10, I'll be off to get it about now. Of course if there is one thing I >hate almost as much as buying books I don't like, its buying films I don't >like, in both cases price doesn't matter, I'd rather throw $10 out the >window or use it as toilet paper than buy a bad book/movie with it. Of >course $10 is also 4.5 frozen pizza's or so, the food with all the >nutritions (tomato sauce, ham, peppers and cheese) a student need to >survive. > >I guess finding a film that isn't a "digest" version of any good book, story >or legend isn't all that easy anyway? At least now I know what I will be >doing for about 150 minutes or so later today. ;-) > >Thank you all for helping me make up my mind. > >Sincerely, >Ragnar E. Sørensen >  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sun Jul 15 14:07:58 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 14:07:58 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15Llcr-0007Yi-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 14:07:57 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id OAA06980; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 14:07:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA24168; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 08:53:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA24143 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 08:53:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA07293 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 08:53:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (oe11.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.115]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA07289 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 08:53:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 05:53:47 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [195.92.198.81] X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "James Culshaw" To: References: <002b01c105f5$67cb7d00$b041fc9e@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: conDoin Family Crest Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 13:50:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2001 12:53:47.0035 (UTC) FILETIME=[2FD656B0:01C10D2D] Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** X-Originating-IP: [195.92.198.81] From: "James Culshaw" To: Subject: Re: conDoin Family Crest Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 13:50:57 +0100 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2001 12:53:47.0035 (UTC) FILETIME=[2FD656B0:01C10D2D] Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu The idea of sharing our collective works seems like a good one to me. With this in mind I have the follwoing questions: 1. I know that the site says you can't use the images elsewhere but I thought I'd ask anyway - cna I use the images from Elvandar. 2. I just realised thta I should really ask Ray if I can have permission to put stuff up on the web about his works, if its not a legal requirement (which I am not sure about), its at least polite, so - Ray, are you ok with me putting information about your works up on the web in this format? 3. Does anyone else have any information/fan art etc that they would be happy to part with? I make no clamis to keep the information provided in the format provided, but any contributors will be fully acknowledged. James :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Young" To: Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 9:26 AM Subject: Re: conDoin Family Crest > Speaking of all this I went through most people's listed websites > (i.e. the ring and the ones listed in the FFML) and have noted: > > 1. A some of us (myself included) probably should not be designing > websites. > > 2. Some of us don't have a bloody thing about Feist on our sites. > > 3. Of those who do REF related websites I see a huge amount of > crossover, this encyclopedia idea being a prime example. > I would think that in some cases we might be better off getting > a collective to create, design and maintain a master site for the > encyclopedia and use most of the rest of the sites as customized > mirrors to the main piece. > Or better yet, partition the site out to various groups who > would be willing to accurately create and maintain certain sections > for the encyclopedia with a single site being the master link. > Example: let one person do the family trees. Let another do a > complete rundown on the various races of Midkemia. Another gets > kelewan. Someone does a composite timeline etc. The maps would > remain in Ralph's domain, and the other major sections that are not > typical encyclopedia (such as fan art or the book cover art which > John has) can all find a single homes. That way we more effectively > utilize the massive amount of web space we have at our command. I > don't know about the rest of you but I have 10 megs to kick around, > and IIRC that is considered small by a number of you. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > http://fenyx.kell.free.fr/Gfx/midfamly.gif > > > > I should improve my advertising, looks like no one knows about my > > work. > > > > Syl > > > >  1, edited,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sun Jul 15 14:21:45 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 14:21:45 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15LlqD-0007em-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 14:21:45 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id OAA07122; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 14:21:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA24965; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 09:13:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA24956 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 09:13:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA11257 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 09:13:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11248 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 09:13:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (sdn-ar-001albirmP154.dialsprint.net [158.252.66.90]) by swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA22154 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 06:13:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <002901c10d2f$b83cc960$5a42fc9e@oemcomputer> X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "James Young" To: References: <002b01c105f5$67cb7d00$b041fc9e@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: conDoin Family Crest Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 08:11:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** From: "James Young" To: Subject: Re: conDoin Family Crest Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 08:11:50 -0500 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu > The idea of sharing our collective works seems like a good one to me. With > this in mind I have the follwoing questions: Sharing yes, as in creating site specific content. I.e. have a single person hold a given format/topic of work. In the case of maps that should remain to be Mr. Askren's. > 1. I know that the site says you can't use the images elsewhere but I > thought I'd ask anyway - can I use the images from Elvandar. I'll tell you right now that the answer to that will be an emphatic no unless Ralph completely decided to scrap his entire website (which seems highly unlikely), and even then I would gather that John or another of us would be far more likely to end up with the maps. But you can wait for his personal answer, but I think he may be on vacation or some such (unless my e-mail is buggy again) because I havn't gotten a reply to a private e-mail I sent a week or so ago requesting official permission to use his link graphics on my site. -James (P.S. this will be my last post for a week or so, see you folks when I get back from my biology conferance in Boston.)  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sun Jul 15 14:28:04 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 14:28:04 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15LlwJ-0007gL-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 14:28:03 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id OAA07162; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 14:28:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA25648; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 09:18:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA25484 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 09:18:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA12395 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 09:18:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f113.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.113]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12390 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 09:18:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 06:18:42 -0700 Received: from 209.117.43.188 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 13:18:41 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.117.43.188] X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "James Silva" To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: The Sauur and the Thunderhell Stepps Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 13:18:41 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2001 13:18:42.0093 (UTC) FILETIME=[AAF615D0:01C10D30] Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** X-Originating-IP: [209.117.43.188] From: "James Silva" To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: The Sauur and the Thunderhell Stepps Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 13:18:41 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2001 13:18:42.0093 (UTC) FILETIME=[AAF615D0:01C10D30] Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu I'm sorry, Patrick does receive this report, but it is on page 98 of "Shards of a Broken Crowm," not page 125. In any event, it seems like the land Ray is describing is "The High Wold". The best maps are from "A Darkness at Sethanon," which has a closeup map on the back cover (HARD COVER, 1986 American Printing). It shows "The High Wold" as the area south of of the Border Baronies of Highcastle, Northwarden... The Thunderhell Stepps is on the other (northern) side of the Teeth of the World, just northwest of the Border Baronies. Adieu Jimmy >From: Darragh Murray Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu To: Subject: Re: The >Sauur and the Thunderhell Stepps Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 09:36:44 +1000 >(GMT+1000) > >S p o i l e r > >s p a c e > > > > > While rereading Shards of a Broken Crown, I came upon the section around > > page 125 where it is reported to Prince Patrick that the Sauur have >attacked > and butched a group of Kingdom Soldiers just south of the >Thunderhell > Stepps, as a warning that the Thunderhell Stepps are now >claimed as Sauur > territory. Patrick is pissed for two reasons: > 1. The >Sauur have butched Kingdom soldiers > 2. The Sauur have annexed Kingdom >territory. > >Patrick didn't know that the Sauur had annexed the Thunderhell Steppes. Pug >is told that in coversation with Jawar (i think thats his name) > > > To get to my question. Is this correct? Is it truly the Thunderhell >Stepps > that Ray is talking about? If so, when did the Kingdom annex the >Thunderhell > Stepps section of the Northlands? I know there was talk about >bringing > Armengar into the Kingdom while Arutha, Martin, and Jimmy were >there, but > there was never anything officially said about it. > >I think the thunderhell steppes are below the duchies of Northwarden, >Ironpass etc etc. Not in Moredhel territory. > > > If this is not the correct area, then where is it actually that the >Sauur > have annexed? > >Thanks Darragh -=-= www.iamtheporkfireman.com [Email]: >s356179@student.uq.edu.au [ICQ]: 114283262 > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sun Jul 15 14:55:45 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 14:55:45 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15LmN6-00005m-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 14:55:44 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id OAA07573; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 14:55:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA27426; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 09:46:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27417 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 09:46:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA18705 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 09:46:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (oe48.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.216]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA18694 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 09:46:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 06:46:26 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [195.92.198.81] X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "James Culshaw" To: References: <002b01c105f5$67cb7d00$b041fc9e@oemcomputer> <002901c10d2f$b83cc960$5a42fc9e@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: conDoin Family Crest Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 14:43:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2001 13:46:26.0766 (UTC) FILETIME=[8B2F06E0:01C10D34] Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** X-Originating-IP: [195.92.198.81] From: "James Culshaw" To: Subject: Re: conDoin Family Crest Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 14:43:43 +0100 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2001 13:46:26.0766 (UTC) FILETIME=[8B2F06E0:01C10D34] Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu If I get this correctly then that means I can't use any maps on my site as Mr Askren has the sole right? If we go with a sole person holding a given format/topic, then that would lead to a disjointed site as it would be across multiple servers in different formats. I was aiming to create a one stop shop on a single server in a single format. I just thought people might want to help out if they had info but didn't want to have to create their own web pages/site. >From what you say below it seems that certain areas/topics of Rays works are pretty much sewn up in ownership by certain individuals. Is this correct? If it is then I think I started a project that I can't really continue. James :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Young" To: Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 2:11 PM Subject: Re: conDoin Family Crest > > The idea of sharing our collective works seems like a good one to > me. With > > this in mind I have the follwoing questions: > > Sharing yes, as in creating site specific content. I.e. have a > single person hold a given format/topic of work. In the case of > maps that should remain to be Mr. Askren's. > > > 1. I know that the site says you can't use the images elsewhere > but I > > thought I'd ask anyway - can I use the images from Elvandar. > > I'll tell you right now that the answer to that will be an emphatic > no unless Ralph completely decided to scrap his entire website > (which seems highly unlikely), and even then I would gather that > John or another of us would be far more likely to end up with the > maps. But you can wait for his personal answer, but I think he may > be on vacation or some such (unless my e-mail is buggy again) > because I havn't gotten a reply to a private e-mail I sent a week or > so ago requesting official permission to use his link graphics on my > site. > > -James > > (P.S. this will be my last post for a week or so, see you folks when > I get back from my biology conferance in Boston.) > >  1, edited,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sun Jul 15 15:59:23 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 15:59:23 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15LnMg-0000Zy-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 15:59:22 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id PAA08394; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 15:59:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA29757; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 10:50:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA29748 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 10:50:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA04500 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 10:50:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.san.rr.com (smtp3.san.rr.com [24.25.195.40]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04492 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 10:50:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (24-165-28-33.san.rr.com [24.165.28.33]) by smtp3.san.rr.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6FEpGa20401 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 07:51:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107151451.f6FEpGa20401@smtp3.san.rr.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 07:50:20 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.388) X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: Raymond Feist To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v388) In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: conDoin Family Crest Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii *** EOOH *** Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 07:50:20 -0700 From: Raymond Feist To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: conDoin Family Crest Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu On Sunday, July 15, 2001, at 05:50 AM, James Culshaw wrote: > The idea of sharing our collective works seems like a good one to me. > With > this in mind I have the follwoing questions: > > 1. I know that the site says you can't use the images elsewhere but I > thought I'd ask anyway - cna I use the images from Elvandar. > > 2. I just realised thta I should really ask Ray if I can have > permission to > put stuff up on the web about his works, if its not a legal requirement > (which I am not sure about), its at least polite, so - Ray, are you ok > with > me putting information about your works up on the web in this format? Your writing about my work is protected free speech in the US. You just can't lift pages from my work. See the difference? Thanks for asking; I appreciate the courtesy. > Best, R.E.F.  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sun Jul 15 16:15:09 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 16:15:09 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15Lnbx-0000gt-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 16:15:09 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id QAA08651; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 16:15:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA00317; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 11:06:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA00308 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 11:05:59 -0400 (EDT) From: steve@optimum.mine.nu Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08255 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 11:05:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from belthazar.optimum.mine.nu (pc2-cann2-0-cust101.ren.cable.ntl.com [213.107.16.101]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08245 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 11:05:57 -0400 (EDT) X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) Received: from mail pickup service by belthazar.optimum.mine.nu with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 16:05:55 +0100 thread-index: AcENP6VVMln0I1VYS+Wmz4rNqA8Tdw== Thread-Topic: Thank you for your Mail [#59] Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu To: Subject: Thank you for your Mail [#59] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal Priority: normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2001 15:05:55.0192 (UTC) FILETIME=[A5631780:01C10D3F] Date: 15 Jul 2001 16:05:55 +0100 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Sender: X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** From: steve@optimum.mine.nu thread-index: AcENP6VVMln0I1VYS+Wmz4rNqA8Tdw== Thread-Topic: Thank you for your Mail [#59] Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu To: Subject: Thank you for your Mail [#59] Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Priority: normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2001 15:05:55.0192 (UTC) FILETIME=[A5631780:01C10D3F] Date: 15 Jul 2001 16:05:55 +0100 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Thank you for taking the time to contact me. Be assured that I will reply to your mail directly. Steve Moffat 15.07.2001 59  1, edited,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sun Jul 15 16:26:08 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 16:26:08 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15Lnma-0000lC-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 16:26:08 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id QAA08769; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 16:26:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA01229; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 11:16:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA01220 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 11:16:17 -0400 (EDT) From: RMAskren@aol.com Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16789 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 11:16:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com (imo-m03.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.6]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16773 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 11:16:17 -0400 (EDT) X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) Received: from RMAskren@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.7.) id q.95.d5c7524 (1813) for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 11:16:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <95.d5c7524.28830dba@aol.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 11:16:10 EDT Subject: Using Images (Was Re: conDoin Family Crest) To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10513 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit *** EOOH *** From: RMAskren@aol.com Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 11:16:10 EDT Subject: Using Images (Was Re: conDoin Family Crest) To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu In a message dated 7/15/01 10:01:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, James C. wrote: > ...thought I'd ask anyway - can I use the images from Elvandar. To which James Y. correctly replied: >I'll tell you right now that the answer to that will be an emphatic >no unless Ralph completely decided to scrap his entire website >(which seems highly unlikely), and even then I would gather that >John or another of us would be far more likely to end up with the >maps. But you can wait for his personal answer, but I think he may >be on vacation or some such (unless my e-mail is buggy again) >because I havn't gotten a reply to a private e-mail I sent a week or >so ago requesting official permission to use his link graphics on my >site. My apologies to James and James...I have not been on vacation - just so busy with work that I have been negligent about reading my e-mail. James Y. (and any others) are more than welcome to use any of the "linking" graphics I have placed on the Elvandar web site. They may be found at http://www.shoalcreek.com/feist/copyrigh.htm This page also states my position on using the actual map images on other web sites. Thank you both for your thoughtful consideration of the work that I have put into creating Elvandar.com -Ralph Ralph M. Askren, DVM Shoal Creek Animal Clinic. P.C. 2226 Barnett Shoals Road Athens, GA 30605 706-369-0962 Voice 706-369-0950 Fax http://www.shoalcreek.com animalclinic@shoalcreek.com rmaskren@aol.com  1, edited,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sun Jul 15 16:51:29 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 16:51:29 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15LoB7-0000wb-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 16:51:29 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id QAA09102; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 16:51:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA03047; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 11:42:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03038 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 11:42:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29799 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 11:42:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (oe23.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.16]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA29792 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 11:42:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 08:42:27 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [195.92.198.74] X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "James Culshaw" To: References: <200107151451.f6FEpGa20401@smtp3.san.rr.com> Subject: Re: conDoin Family Crest Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 16:39:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2001 15:42:27.0972 (UTC) FILETIME=[C062C440:01C10D44] Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" *** EOOH *** X-Originating-IP: [195.92.198.74] From: "James Culshaw" To: Subject: Re: conDoin Family Crest Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 16:39:39 +0100 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2001 15:42:27.0972 (UTC) FILETIME=[C062C440:01C10D44] Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu What about using images of maps? From what I gather the only person you have gave permission to is Ralph Askren. I am assuming that because of this I can't use images of your maps on my site, especially if I modify them (I have a copy of one which I have colourised like Ralph did but not used). Could you clarify this assumption for me. For cover art, would I have to contact Geoff Taylor (he's a nice guy, I have mailed him before) for his permission as he does the UK book cover art which I use, or do you have any input? I know this is different as I am using someone elses work. James :-) >----- Original Message ----- >From: Raymond Feist >To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu >Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 3:50 PM >Subject: Re: conDoin Family Crest > >On Sunday, July 15, 2001, at 05:50 AM, James Culshaw wrote: >>The idea of sharing our collective works seems like a good one to me. With >>this in mind I have the follwoing questions: >> >>1. I know that the site says you can't use the images elsewhere but I >>thought I'd ask anyway - cna I use the images from Elvandar. >> >>2. I just realised thta I should really ask Ray if I can have permission to >>put stuff up on the web about his works, if its not a legal requirement >>(which I am not sure about), its at least polite, so - Ray, are you ok with >>me putting information about your works up on the web in this format? > > >Your writing about my work is protected free speech in the US. You >just can't lift pages from my work. See the difference? Thanks for >asking; I appreciate the courtesy. > > > >Best, R.E.F.  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sun Jul 15 16:58:34 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 16:58:34 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15LoHy-00014T-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 16:58:34 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id QAA09225; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 16:58:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA03914; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 11:51:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu (postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.10]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03750 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 11:51:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA01774; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 11:51:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [128.253.86.29] ([128.253.86.29]) by postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA01766; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 11:51:20 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: dl24@postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu Message-Id: Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 11:57:23 -0400 X-PH: V4.1@postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) To: feistfans-l@cornell.edu From: Dan Lorey Subject: ADMIN: Auto-Responders (was: Thank you for your Mail [#59]) Cc: steve@optimum.mine.nu Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 11:57:23 -0400 To: feistfans-l@cornell.edu From: Dan Lorey Subject: ADMIN: Auto-Responders (was: Thank you for your Mail [#59]) Cc: steve@optimum.mine.nu Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Folks, Be advised that having an auto-responder set up on your email account is a very fast way to get removed from the list, because auto-responders can cause a lot of problems. Dan  1, edited,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sun Jul 15 18:29:05 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 18:29:05 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15LphZ-00024a-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 18:29:05 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id SAA11179; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 18:29:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA07650; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 13:22:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA07641 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 13:22:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17538 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 13:22:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.san.rr.com (smtp3.san.rr.com [24.25.195.40]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17523 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 13:22:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (24-165-28-33.san.rr.com [24.165.28.33]) by smtp3.san.rr.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6FHNga05783 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 10:23:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107151723.f6FHNga05783@smtp3.san.rr.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 10:22:44 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.388) X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: Raymond Feist To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v388) In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: conDoin Family Crest Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1 *** EOOH *** Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 10:22:44 -0700 From: Raymond Feist To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: conDoin Family Crest Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu On Sunday, July 15, 2001, at 08:39 AM, James Culshaw wrote: > What about using images of maps? From what I gather the only person you > have gave permission to is Ralph Askren. I am assuming that because of > this I can't use images of your maps on my site, especially if I modify > them (I have a copy of one which I have colourised like Ralph did but > not used). Could you clarify this assumption for me. The maps are originally created by Steve Abrams, and Ralph's versions are created with Steve and my permission. You could use a copy of my map (from the book) with my permission or Ralph's with Ralph's permission. But you do need permission, if that's what you're asking. > For cover art, would I have to contact Geoff Taylor (he's a nice guy, I > have mailed him before) for his permission as he does the UK book cover > art which I use, or do you have any input? I know this is different as > I am using someone elses work. > I don't have any control over Geoff's art. And you're right, he's a very nice guy. Best, R.E.F.  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sun Jul 15 18:31:58 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 18:31:58 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15LpkL-00025t-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 18:31:57 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id SAA11265; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 18:31:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA07667; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 13:27:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA07658 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 13:26:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18898 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 13:26:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from defiant.nt-tech.com.au (defiant.nt-tech.com.au [203.31.125.2]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA18888 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 13:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sonia (unverified [203.26.75.229]) by defiant.nt-tech.com.au (Rockliffe SMTPRA 4.5.4) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 02:57:04 +0930 Message-ID: <018101c10d4b$0365dc40$4785fea9@Sonia> Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "Sonia Tabe" To: Subject: Weird Coincidences Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 01:57:16 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu From: "Sonia Tabe" To: Subject: Weird Coincidences Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 01:57:16 +0930 Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Okay folks. I'm here today to talk about coincidences. Firstly, I was travelling home on the bus from Darwin on Saturday, where I finished reading the novelization of the movie Tomb Raider. After that I went on to finish reading Faerie Tale (the book by our favorite author). I thought that it was a really strange coincidence that both of the books mentioned something called the Illuminati (sp?). I gleaned a little information from both books on what it was about, but gee wiz... like I said. A coincidence...? You decide... (cue x-files music) And secondly, when I was looking up information on the Harry Potter movie at imdb.com, and they said that if you enjoyed the HP movie you'd also enjoy the movie Merlin, which is what some of us have been discussing. What a crazy world :P ~Later  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sun Jul 15 19:02:48 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 19:02:48 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15LqEC-0002KR-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 19:02:48 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id TAA11814; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 19:02:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA10099; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 13:57:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA10090 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 13:56:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26890 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 13:56:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail007.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail007.syd.optusnet.com.au [203.2.75.231]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA26864 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 13:56:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wolf (perax6-062.dialup.optusnet.com.au [198.142.92.62]) by mail007.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f6FHuhC14055 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 03:56:44 +1000 X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "David Pengelley" To: Subject: Desperate Men Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 01:56:43 +0800 Message-ID: <001c01c10d57$82bb18a0$2100a8c0@pengelley.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <018101c10d4b$0365dc40$4785fea9@Sonia> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** From: "David Pengelley" To: Subject: Desperate Men Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 01:56:43 +0800 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu I checked the FAQ, and couldn't get Donal's applet to work but it seemd to me the the concept of the desperate men was awfully similar to that of "The Dirty Dozen" and I was just wondering if Ray had used a similar plot line deliberately or without even thinking about it. CW  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sun Jul 15 20:06:59 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 20:06:59 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15LrEJ-0002qK-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 20:06:59 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id UAA12732; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 20:06:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA12581; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 15:01:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12572 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 15:01:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18248 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 15:01:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.san.rr.com (smtp1.san.rr.com [24.25.195.37]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA18240 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 15:01:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (24-165-28-33.san.rr.com [24.165.28.33]) by smtp1.san.rr.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6FJ2e921137 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 12:02:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107151902.f6FJ2e921137@smtp1.san.rr.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 12:01:46 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.388) X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: Raymond Feist To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v388) In-Reply-To: <001c01c10d57$82bb18a0$2100a8c0@pengelley.com> Subject: Re: Desperate Men Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 12:01:46 -0700 From: Raymond Feist To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: Desperate Men Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu On Sunday, July 15, 2001, at 10:56 AM, David Pengelley wrote: > I checked the FAQ, and couldn't get Donal's applet to work but it seemd > to me the the concept of the desperate men was awfully similar to that > of "The Dirty Dozen" and I was just wondering if Ray had used a similar > plot line deliberately or without even thinking about it. > > CW > > It's deliberate, and it's not original with The Dirty Dozen, though that was about as well done and as much fun as any of the various plots used by others has been. Best, R.E.F.  1,, X-Coding-System: iso-latin-1-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sun Jul 15 20:46:02 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 20:46:02 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15Lrq6-00035d-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 20:46:02 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id UAA13248; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 20:45:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA14923; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 15:40:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA14914 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 15:40:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23189 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 15:40:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta01.chello.no (mta01.chello.no [212.186.255.12]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23178 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 15:40:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default.online.no ([213.93.244.13]) by mta01.chello.no (InterMail vK.4.03.00.00 201-232-121 license e9baf6250a3e09baf933190ee5f5f2b0) with ESMTP id <20010715194158.PAI8748.mta01@default.online.no> for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 21:41:58 +0200 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010715213511.00a82ec0@pop.online.no> X-Sender: fan2met@pop.online.no X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 21:38:20 +0200 X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu From: Martin Andersen Subject: Re: [OT] Merlin In-Reply-To: <000301c10bc7$598c9f30$a6524382@firestorm> References: <000701c10b4a$8f7ca2c0$fe564382@firestorm> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by elist01.mail.cornell.edu id PAA14914 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by m1.cs.man.ac.uk id UAA13248 *** EOOH *** Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 21:38:20 +0200 To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu From: Martin Andersen Subject: Re: [OT] Merlin Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Would those 4.5 pizzas be 'Grandiosa's perchance? Martin ----------- Si libet, licet. At 20:12 13.07.01 +0200, you wrote: >That's the one David. > >Well seeing as I interpret the feedback as positive and after all that it is >only $10, I'll be off to get it about now. Of course if there is one thing I >hate almost as much as buying books I don't like, its buying films I don't >like, in both cases price doesn't matter, I'd rather throw $10 out the >window or use it as toilet paper than buy a bad book/movie with it. Of >course $10 is also 4.5 frozen pizza's or so, the food with all the >nutritions (tomato sauce, ham, peppers and cheese) a student need to >survive. > >I guess finding a film that isn't a "digest" version of any good book, story >or legend isn't all that easy anyway? At least now I know what I will be >doing for about 150 minutes or so later today. ;-) > >Thank you all for helping me make up my mind. > >Sincerely, >Ragnar E. Sørensen  1, edited,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sun Jul 15 20:56:27 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 20:56:27 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15Ls0A-0003B0-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 20:56:26 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id UAA13381; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 20:56:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA15769; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 15:50:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15760 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 15:50:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29234 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 15:50:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (oe26.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.19]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA29206 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 15:50:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 12:50:49 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [195.92.65.211] X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "James Culshaw" To: References: <200107151723.f6FHNga05783@smtp3.san.rr.com> Subject: Re: conDoin Family Crest Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 20:48:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2001 19:50:49.0374 (UTC) FILETIME=[725043E0:01C10D67] Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" *** EOOH *** X-Originating-IP: [195.92.65.211] From: "James Culshaw" To: Subject: Re: conDoin Family Crest Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 20:48:01 +0100 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2001 19:50:49.0374 (UTC) FILETIME=[725043E0:01C10D67] Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Could I then have your permission to use the maps from the books, please? If you agree what rules are there around there usage? James :-) >----- Original Message ----- >From: Raymond Feist >To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu >Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 6:22 PM >Subject: Re: conDoin Family Crest > > >On Sunday, July 15, 2001, at 08:39 AM, James Culshaw wrote: > > > What about using images of maps? From what I gather the only person you have gave permission to is Ralph Askren. I am assuming that because of this I can't use images of your maps on my site, especially if I modify them (I have a copy of one which I have colourised like Ralph did but not used). Could you clarify this assumption for me. > > >The maps are originally created by Steve Abrams, and Ralph's versions are created with Steve and my permission. You could use a copy of my map (from the book) with my permission or Ralph's with Ralph's permission. But you do need permission, if that's what you're asking. > > > For cover art, would I have to contact Geoff Taylor (he's a nice guy, I have mailed him before) for his permission as he does the UK book cover art which I use, or do you have any input? I know this is different as I am using someone elses work. > > > >I don't have any control over Geoff's art. And you're right, he's a very nice guy. > >Best, R.E.F.  1,, X-Coding-System: iso-latin-1-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sun Jul 15 21:02:41 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 21:02:41 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15Ls6D-0003El-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 21:02:41 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id VAA13958; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 21:02:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA16030; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 15:57:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA16016 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 15:57:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03408 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 15:57:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f252.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.8.77]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA03401 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 15:57:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 12:57:04 -0700 Received: from 195.249.152.181 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 19:57:03 GMT X-Originating-IP: [195.249.152.181] X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "David Christensen" To: feistfans-l@cornell.edu Subject: Elven Dialects and Eating Utensils Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 19:57:03 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2001 19:57:04.0213 (UTC) FILETIME=[51BC2850:01C10D68] Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by m1.cs.man.ac.uk id VAA13958 *** EOOH *** X-Originating-IP: [195.249.152.181] From: "David Christensen" To: feistfans-l@cornell.edu Subject: Elven Dialects and Eating Utensils Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 19:57:03 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2001 19:57:04.0213 (UTC) FILETIME=[51BC2850:01C10D68] Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Two questions which I think will be easy to answer :) Do Eledhel, Eldar, Glamredhel and Moredhel speak the same language? Do the characters in the books use eating utensils? (actually I remémber Erik spooning stew into his mouth, and bread cannot be slathered without a knife, so I guess my question is wether forks exist in Midkemia) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.  1, edited,, X-Coding-System: iso-latin-1-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sun Jul 15 21:14:00 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 21:14:00 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15LsHA-0003J3-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 21:14:00 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id VAA14154; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 21:13:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA17783; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 16:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA17774 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 16:08:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09971 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 16:08:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail49.fg.online.no (mail49-s.fg.online.no [148.122.161.49]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09962 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 16:08:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firestorm (ti10a62-0027.dialup.online.no [130.67.86.27]) by mail49.fg.online.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA01280 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 22:08:25 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <000601c10d69$d4846c60$1b564382@firestorm> X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "Ragnar E. Sørensen" To: References: <000701c10b4a$8f7ca2c0$fe564382@firestorm> <5.1.0.14.2.20010715213511.00a82ec0@pop.online.no> Subject: Re: [OT] Merlin Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 22:07:51 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by m1.cs.man.ac.uk id VAA14154 *** EOOH *** From: "Ragnar E. Sørensen" To: Subject: Re: [OT] Merlin Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 22:07:51 +0200 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Andersen" To: Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 9:38 PM Subject: Re: [OT] Merlin > Would those 4.5 pizzas be 'Grandiosa's perchance? > > Martin > ----------- > Si libet, licet. > LOL! That would indeed be correct of you to assume. ;) Sincerely, Ragnar E. Sørensen  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sun Jul 15 22:55:14 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 22:55:14 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15Ltr7-000427-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 22:55:13 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id WAA15949; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 22:55:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA22025; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 17:48:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA22016 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 17:47:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02892 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 17:47:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sunny.pacific.net.sg (sunny.pacific.net.sg [203.120.90.127]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA02874 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 17:47:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop1.pacific.net.sg (pop1.pacific.net.sg [203.120.90.85]) by sunny.pacific.net.sg with ESMTP id f6FKrZr28825 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 04:53:35 +0800 (SGT) Received: from [210.24.64.57] (ppp57.dyn64.pacific.net.sg [210.24.64.57]) by pop1.pacific.net.sg with ESMTP id FAA20832 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 05:47:47 +0800 (SGT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: shawnc@pop.starhub.net.sg Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <018101c10d4b$0365dc40$4785fea9@Sonia> References: <018101c10d4b$0365dc40$4785fea9@Sonia> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 05:53:14 +0800 X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu From: Shawn Chung Subject: Re: Weird Coincidences Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 05:53:14 +0800 To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu From: Shawn Chung Subject: Re: Weird Coincidences Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu >On Mon, 16 Jul 2001 01:57:16 +0930, Sonia Tabe wrote: >Okay folks. I'm here today to talk about coincidences. >Firstly, I was travelling home on the bus from Darwin on Saturday, where I >finished reading the novelization of the movie Tomb Raider. After that I >went on to finish reading Faerie Tale (the book by our favorite author). I >thought that it was a really strange coincidence that both of the books >mentioned something called the Illuminati (sp?). I gleaned a little >information from both books on what it was about, but gee wiz... like I >said. A coincidence...? You decide... (cue x-files music) Illuminati, the Magi, etc... They are supposed to have been around since at least biblical times, and have from time to time appeared in popular fiction. For example, The Mummy 2 had the Magi as a soldier-priest cult. -- Seeya Starside. Shawn Chung --------------------------------------- - I'd rather be ignorant than misinformed. -  1, edited,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sun Jul 15 23:15:29 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 23:15:29 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15LuAj-0004Bx-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 23:15:29 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id XAA17010; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 23:15:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA23426; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 18:10:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA23417 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 18:10:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22851 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 18:10:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.san.rr.com (smtp1.san.rr.com [24.25.195.37]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA22830 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 18:10:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (24-165-28-33.san.rr.com [24.165.28.33]) by smtp1.san.rr.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6FMB8929451 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 15:11:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107152211.f6FMB8929451@smtp1.san.rr.com> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 15:10:15 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.388) X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: Raymond Feist To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v388) In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Elven Dialects and Eating Utensils Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1 *** EOOH *** Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 15:10:15 -0700 From: Raymond Feist To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: Elven Dialects and Eating Utensils Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu On Sunday, July 15, 2001, at 07:57 PM, David Christensen wrote: > Two questions which I think will be easy to answer :) > > Do Eledhel, Eldar, Glamredhel and Moredhel speak the same language? No. But they're close, like dialects of the same language. > > Do the characters in the books use eating utensils? (actually I > remÈmber Erik spooning stew into his mouth, and bread cannot be > slathered without a knife, so I guess my question is wether forks exist > in Midkemia) > Yes they have forks. Best, R.E.F.  1,, X-Coding-System: iso-latin-1-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sun Jul 15 23:46:22 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 23:46:22 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15Lueb-0004P8-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 23:46:21 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id XAA17446; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 23:46:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA25118; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 18:38:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA25109 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 18:38:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16020 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 18:38:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f27.law15.hotmail.com [64.4.23.27]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA16014 for ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 18:38:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 15:38:26 -0700 Received: from 203.108.0.59 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 22:38:25 GMT X-Originating-IP: [203.108.0.59] X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "Jonathon Cant" To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: Elven Dialects and Eating Utensils Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 08:38:25 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2001 22:38:26.0124 (UTC) FILETIME=[DC9A88C0:01C10D7E] Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by m1.cs.man.ac.uk id XAA17446 *** EOOH *** X-Originating-IP: [203.108.0.59] From: "Jonathon Cant" To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: Elven Dialects and Eating Utensils Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 08:38:25 +1000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2001 22:38:26.0124 (UTC) FILETIME=[DC9A88C0:01C10D7E] Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu hmmm.....a puzzling question and a very interesting one....ahh...i have no idea, although....you could assume that instead of actual dinner knives mabey they used their daggers? perhaps?.....i don't know really..but an interesting question nonetheless Jonathon >From: "David Christensen" >Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu >To: feistfans-l@cornell.edu >Subject: Elven Dialects and Eating Utensils >Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 19:57:03 > >Two questions which I think will be easy to answer :) > >Do Eledhel, Eldar, Glamredhel and Moredhel speak the same language? > >Do the characters in the books use eating utensils? (actually I remémber >Erik spooning stew into his mouth, and bread cannot be slathered without a >knife, so I guess my question is wether forks exist in Midkemia) >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Mon Jul 16 06:17:55 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 06:17:55 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15M0lW-0007i6-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 06:17:54 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id GAA23221; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 06:17:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA06608; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 01:12:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA06599 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 01:12:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA28092 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 01:12:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lateralus.bright.net (lateralus.bright.net [205.212.123.70]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA28088 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 01:12:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bridge.bright.net ([209.143.7.147]) by lateralus.bright.net with ESMTP id <20010716051218.XMQW333.lateralus@bridge.bright.net> for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 01:12:18 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010716011051.00a5a250@mail.bright.net> X-Sender: tomb@mail.bright.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 01:12:11 -0400 X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu From: Tom Brincefield Subject: Re: Desperate Men In-Reply-To: <200107151902.f6FJ2e921137@smtp1.san.rr.com> References: <001c01c10d57$82bb18a0$2100a8c0@pengelley.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 01:12:11 -0400 To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu From: Tom Brincefield Subject: Re: Desperate Men Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu At 03:01 PM 7/15/01, Raymond Feist wrote: >On Sunday, July 15, 2001, at 10:56 AM, David Pengelley wrote: > >>I checked the FAQ, and couldn't get Donal's applet to work but it seemd >>to me the the concept of the desperate men was awfully similar to that >>of "The Dirty Dozen" and I was just wondering if Ray had used a similar >>plot line deliberately or without even thinking about it. >> >>CW >> > >It's deliberate, and it's not original with The Dirty Dozen, though that >was about as well done and as much fun as any of the various plots used by >others has been. > >Best, R.E.F. Then they had to push it too far with the sequels. Kind of missed the point of the movie. BTW, I haven't seen your signature lately. did you stop using it or is something not working correctly? Tom B. tomb@bright.net http://www.bright.net/`tomb http://www.dm.net/~tom-b ______________________________________________________ "Western culture has practiced imperialistic conquest, racism, slavery, persecution, intolerance, and oppression. So has every other culture in the world. Only two things remain to be explained. First, why was the West so successful at it? Second, why did they repent?"  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Mon Jul 16 09:33:49 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 09:33:49 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15M3p7-0001p0-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 09:33:49 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id JAA27196; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 09:33:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA12296; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 04:28:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA12287 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 04:28:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA16319 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 04:28:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.wrs.com (unknown-1-11.windriver.com [147.11.1.11]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA16307 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 04:28:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.swindon.wrsec.fr (mail.swindon.wrsec.fr [147.11.90.31]) by mail.wrs.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA10092 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 01:27:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ripple.windriver.com (ripple.swindon.wrsec.fr [147.11.90.27]) by mail.swindon.wrsec.fr (8.11.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f6G8SMP07821 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 09:28:22 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010716092358.0268d030@mail.swindon.wrsec.fr> X-Sender: rip@mail.swindon.wrsec.fr X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 09:29:59 +0100 X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu From: Richard Williamson Subject: Re: (OT) Words (was Re: Guy) In-Reply-To: <002001c10bdc$d05ab240$a042fc9e@oemcomputer> References: <001801c10af5$80cd7ba0$9d41fc9e@oemcomputer> <475kTECYJuT7EwJ6@bloodaxe.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 09:29:59 +0100 To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu From: Richard Williamson Subject: Re: (OT) Words (was Re: Guy) Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu At 03:45 PM 7/13/01 -0500, James Young wrote: > That is probably because people in the UK still have a grasp on >the English Language. American pop culture (which is the guilty >party for a lot of mispronunciations) coupled with poor initial >education in English grammar generally doesn't do too much for the >language as a whole. Actually, (are you sitting down) the UK school system at this time does not feel that "English Grammar" as a subject is something that needs to be taught, ie kids pick up on it from their parents/friends/etc, so there is no need to "waste" precious in-school time teaching it. I will trade the US's 'poor initial' for the UK's 'total and complete lack of'. In any case, my kids'll be going to school in Germany, probably. The Shorter OED a) is affordable, and b) will include 99.99% of the words you will need in your day-to-day life. In the case of .your. active vocabulary, James, probably only 80% ;-> rip  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Mon Jul 16 09:55:57 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 09:55:57 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15M4AX-00025w-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 09:55:57 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id JAA27891; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 09:55:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA13621; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 04:52:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA13609 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 04:52:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA10686 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 04:52:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.san.rr.com (smtp1.san.rr.com [24.25.195.37]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA10677 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 04:52:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (24-165-28-33.san.rr.com [24.165.28.33]) by smtp1.san.rr.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6G8rk906174 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 01:53:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107160853.f6G8rk906174@smtp1.san.rr.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 01:52:53 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.388) X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: Raymond Feist To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v388) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010716011051.00a5a250@mail.bright.net> Subject: Re: Desperate Men Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 01:52:53 -0700 From: Raymond Feist To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: Desperate Men Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu On Sunday, July 15, 2001, at 10:12 PM, Tom Brincefield wrote: > At 03:01 PM 7/15/01, Raymond Feist wrote: > >> On Sunday, July 15, 2001, at 10:56 AM, David Pengelley wrote: >> >>> I checked the FAQ, and couldn't get Donal's applet to work but it >>> seemd >>> to me the the concept of the desperate men was awfully similar to that >>> of "The Dirty Dozen" and I was just wondering if Ray had used a >>> similar >>> plot line deliberately or without even thinking about it. >>> >>> CW >>> >> >> It's deliberate, and it's not original with The Dirty Dozen, though >> that was about as well done and as much fun as any of the various >> plots used by others has been. >> >> Best, R.E.F. > > Then they had to push it too far with the sequels. Kind of missed the > point of the movie. BTW, I haven't seen your signature lately. did you > stop using it or is something not working correctly? > > Small glitch in the file handler. It's now back on, as you can see. Best, R.E.F. Never attribute to malice what can satisfactorily be explained away by stupidity.  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Mon Jul 16 12:57:26 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 12:57:27 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15M70A-000209-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 12:57:26 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id MAA02904; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 12:57:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA18352; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 07:55:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA18343 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 07:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA03361 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 07:55:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.wrs.com (unknown-1-11.windriver.com [147.11.1.11]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA03351 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 07:55:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.swindon.wrsec.fr (mail.swindon.wrsec.fr [147.11.90.31]) by mail.wrs.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA05969 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 04:54:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ripple.windriver.com (ripple.swindon.wrsec.fr [147.11.90.27]) by mail.swindon.wrsec.fr (8.11.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f6GBtQP14991 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 12:55:26 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010716124621.0268d3c0@mail.swindon.wrsec.fr> X-Sender: rip@mail.swindon.wrsec.fr X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 12:56:58 +0100 X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) To: feistfans-l@cornell.edu From: Richard Williamson Subject: feistfans-l poll questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 12:56:58 +0100 To: feistfans-l@cornell.edu From: Richard Williamson Subject: feistfans-l poll questions Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Hello, I'm setting up a poll for the feistfans-l list to gather a bit o' data on the 'average' list member. RESPOND OFF LIST. This means don't use the reply button. Doing so will leave you open to ridicule and abuse from your friends and neighbors. If you have any ideas for questions you would ask other people on the list, please send them to me. Note: I will ignore anything .too. intrusive. Currently, I have four levels of questions: Generic (age/gender/etc) Specific (school level, etc) Humorous Bizarre/Off the wall I think I'm pretty well full up on 'generic' and 'specific', it is the funny and weird ones that I need help with. Send questions to rip@ferkel.co.uk rip  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Mon Jul 16 14:15:41 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:15:41 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15M8Dt-0002tV-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:15:41 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id OAA05054; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:15:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA22405; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 09:13:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22396 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 09:13:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA03427 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 09:13:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.wrs.com (unknown-1-11.windriver.com [147.11.1.11]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03399 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 09:13:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.swindon.wrsec.fr (mail.swindon.wrsec.fr [147.11.90.31]) by mail.wrs.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA00910 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 06:12:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ripple.windriver.com (ripple.swindon.wrsec.fr [147.11.90.27]) by mail.swindon.wrsec.fr (8.11.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f6GDDFP17656 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:13:15 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010716141216.0269a450@mail.swindon.wrsec.fr> X-Sender: rip@mail.swindon.wrsec.fr X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:14:51 +0100 X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) To: feistfans-l@cornell.edu From: Richard Williamson Subject: feistfans-l poll questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:14:51 +0100 To: feistfans-l@cornell.edu From: Richard Williamson Subject: feistfans-l poll questions Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Hiya, Maybe I wasn't clear. Happens. Anyway, I'm not asking for 'ANSWERS' yet. I'm still asking for 'QUESTIONS'. So again: If there was something you wanted to ask everybody else on the list, send me the question and I'll add it to the poll. rip  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Mon Jul 16 14:40:40 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:40:40 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15M8c4-0003Dm-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:40:40 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id OAA05842; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:40:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA24182; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 09:39:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA24173 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 09:38:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA01776 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 09:38:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (oe19.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.123]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01769 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 09:38:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 06:38:57 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [192.55.37.144] X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "James Culshaw" To: "FEISTFANS-L FEISTFANS-L" Subject: Ochedel Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:38:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2001 13:38:57.0156 (UTC) FILETIME=[A99BBC40:01C10DFC] Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** X-Originating-IP: [192.55.37.144] From: "James Culshaw" To: "FEISTFANS-L FEISTFANS-L" Subject: Ochedel Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:38:31 +0100 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2001 13:38:57.0156 (UTC) FILETIME=[A99BBC40:01C10DFC] Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Hi, can anyone give me the chapter/page references of where the ochedel are first introduced? James :-)  1, edited,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Mon Jul 16 19:22:43 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 19:22:43 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15MD11-00061b-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 19:22:43 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id TAA13978; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 19:22:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA08201; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:12:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08192 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:12:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06997 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:12:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demo.xandmail.com ([212.155.184.98]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06971 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:12:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demo.xandmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by demo.xandmail.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA06990 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 20:17:32 +0200 Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 20:17:32 +0200 Message-Id: Subject: Re:Ochedel MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "Sylvain Guehl" To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-XaM3-API-Version: 2.4.1.2.4 X-SenderIP: 217.128.33.123 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by elist01.mail.cornell.edu id OAA08192 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 20:17:32 +0200 Subject: Re:Ochedel From: "Sylvain Guehl" To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-XaM3-API-Version: 2.4.1.2.4 X-SenderIP: 217.128.33.123 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu The King's Buccaneer, chapter 15, two pages further Syl > Hi, > > can anyone give me the chapter/page references of where the ochedel are > first introduced? > > James :-) > > Fenyx Kell.  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Mon Jul 16 20:05:04 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 20:05:04 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15MDg0-0006OS-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 20:05:04 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id UAA14811; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 20:05:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA11246; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:56:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11232 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:56:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18596 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:56:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (oe50.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.218]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA18549 for ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:56:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 11:56:06 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [195.147.210.181] X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "James Culshaw" To: References: Subject: Re:Ochedel Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 19:55:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2001 18:56:06.0254 (UTC) FILETIME=[F7D5A8E0:01C10E28] Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** X-Originating-IP: [195.147.210.181] From: "James Culshaw" To: Subject: Re:Ochedel Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 19:55:25 +0100 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2001 18:56:06.0254 (UTC) FILETIME=[F7D5A8E0:01C10E28] Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Thanks for the help, james :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sylvain Guehl" To: Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 7:17 PM Subject: Re:Ochedel > The King's Buccaneer, chapter 15, two pages further > > Syl > > > > > Hi, > > > > can anyone give me the chapter/page references of where the ochedel > are > > first introduced? > > > > James :-) > > > > > > Fenyx Kell. > >  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Tue Jul 17 14:41:50 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 14:41:50 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15MV6k-0000mi-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 14:41:50 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id OAA09104; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 14:41:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA17573; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 09:38:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA17564 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 09:38:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA29216 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 09:38:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f131.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.131]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA29171 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 09:38:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 06:38:15 -0700 Received: from 207.86.249.55 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 17 Jul 2001 13:38:14 GMT X-Originating-IP: [207.86.249.55] X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "James Silva" To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re:Ochedel Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 13:38:14 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2001 13:38:15.0486 (UTC) FILETIME=[BB2F25E0:01C10EC5] Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** X-Originating-IP: [207.86.249.55] From: "James Silva" To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re:Ochedel Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 13:38:14 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2001 13:38:15.0486 (UTC) FILETIME=[BB2F25E0:01C10EC5] Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu The first time we meet the Ocedhel is indeed in Chapter 15 of the Kings Buccaneer, however, the first time the word "ocedhel" is used is about 6 pages in to chapter 6 of Shadow of a Dark Queen. Also, check your spelling, it is ocedhel (oc + edhel), not ochedel. Adieu Jimmy PS, I have a an old (1979) copy of a college edition AHD. I looked up Forte. All I have to say is: "I'll be damned!" >From: "James Culshaw" >Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu >To: >Subject: Re:Ochedel >Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 19:55:25 +0100 > >Thanks for the help, > >james :-) > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Sylvain Guehl" >To: >Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 7:17 PM >Subject: Re:Ochedel > > > > The King's Buccaneer, chapter 15, two pages further > > > > Syl > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > can anyone give me the chapter/page references of where the ochedel > > are > > > first introduced? > > > > > > James :-) > > > > > > > > > > Fenyx Kell. > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Wed Jul 18 08:03:44 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 08:03:44 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15MlN1-0002ab-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 08:03:43 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id IAA21645; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 08:03:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA26927; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 03:00:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA26918 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 03:00:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA27607 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 03:00:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail005.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail005.syd.optusnet.com.au [203.2.75.229]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA27548 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 03:00:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wolf (perax6-224.dialup.optusnet.com.au [198.142.92.224]) by mail005.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f6I70CQ04057 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:00:13 +1000 X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "David Pengelley" To: Subject: Am I still on the list or is it just really quiet Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:00:32 +0800 Message-ID: <000001c10f57$5a47a260$2100a8c0@pengelley.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** From: "David Pengelley" To: Subject: Am I still on the list or is it just really quiet Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:00:32 +0800 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu I haven't received much mail in the past few days from the list and suspect being dumped. CW  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Wed Jul 18 08:20:20 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 08:20:20 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15Mld6-0002hB-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 08:20:20 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id IAA21855; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 08:20:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA27842; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 03:18:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA27833 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 03:18:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA08379 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 03:18:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yowie.cc.uq.edu.au (yowie.cc.uq.edu.au [130.102.2.2]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA08359 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 03:18:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from student.uq.edu.au (s356179@student.uq.edu.au [130.102.87.136]) by yowie.cc.uq.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17700 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:18:22 +1000 (GMT+1000) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:18:22 +1000 (GMT+1000) X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: Darragh Murray To: Subject: Re: Am I still on the list or is it just really quiet In-Reply-To: <000001c10f57$5a47a260$2100a8c0@pengelley.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:18:22 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: Darragh Murray To: Subject: Re: Am I still on the list or is it just really quiet Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu your still there.... its been pretty quiet today. > I haven't received much mail in the past few days from the list and > suspect being dumped. > CW Thanks Darragh -=-= www.iamtheporkfireman.com [Email]: s356179@student.uq.edu.au [ICQ]: 114283262  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Wed Jul 18 09:51:24 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:51:24 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15Mn3E-0003cw-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:51:24 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id JAA24359; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:51:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA00990; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 04:49:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA00981 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 04:49:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA04379 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 04:49:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from defiant.nt-tech.com.au (defiant.nt-tech.com.au [203.31.125.2]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA04351 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 04:49:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sonia (unverified [203.26.75.232]) by defiant.nt-tech.com.au (Rockliffe SMTPRA 4.5.4) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:19:44 +0930 Message-ID: <003401c10f66$97073f80$4785fea9@Sonia> Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "Sonia Tabe" To: References: <000001c10f57$5a47a260$2100a8c0@pengelley.com> Subject: Re: Am I still on the list or is it just really quiet Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:19:42 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu From: "Sonia Tabe" To: Subject: Re: Am I still on the list or is it just really quiet Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:19:42 +0930 Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Oh ya. You're still on the list. And so am I. Maybe everyone else but you, me and Darragh Murray have left the list! j/k.  1, edited,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Wed Jul 18 10:05:05 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:05:05 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15MnGS-0003pb-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:05:04 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id KAA24806; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:05:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA01988; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 05:03:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA01979 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 05:03:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA12250 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 05:03:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.nhs.uk (mail2.nhs.uk [194.72.23.227]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA12229 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 05:03:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from (relay.nhs.uk) [194.62.42.123] by mail2.nhs.uk with esmtp (MultiThread MTA) id 15Mn5r-0004oE-00; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:54:07 +0100 Received: from sthct.northy.nhs.uk (194.227.128.3) by relay.nhs.uk (Syntegra-5 5.1.050) id 3B3B6198000F28A9 for FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:54:06 +0100 Received: from exchange.email ([129.50.5.86]) by fsh01.sthct.northy.nhs.uk with ESMTP id <119041>; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:35:12 +0100 Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:51:27 +0100 Message-ID: <01F7A4FDDD46D2118E2E00805F65264F726742@EXCHANGE> X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "Joyce, Tony" To: "'FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu'" Subject: RE: Am I still on the list or is it just really quiet Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:51:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** From: "Joyce, Tony" To: "'FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu'" Subject: RE: Am I still on the list or is it just really quiet Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:51:27 +0100 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu We're all waiting in anticipation for the release of Ray's new book :-) -----Original Message----- >From: Sonia Tabe [SMTP:sonia@nt-tech.com.au] >Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 9:50 AM >To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu >Subject: Re: Am I still on the list or is it just really quiet > >Oh ya. You're still on the list. And so am I. Maybe everyone else but you, >me and Darragh Murray have left the list! j/k. >  1, edited,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Wed Jul 18 10:42:20 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:42:20 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15MnqW-0004F5-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:42:20 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id KAA25955; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:42:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA03310; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 05:33:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA03301 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 05:33:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA12515 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 05:33:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web14207.mail.yahoo.com (web14207.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.71]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA12493 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 05:33:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010718093324.46459.qmail@web14207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [212.17.86.162] by web14207.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:33:24 CEST Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:33:24 +0200 (CEST) X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: Michael Holzer Subject: Silence To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:33:24 +0200 (CEST) From: Michael Holzer Subject: Silence To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Hi there! It indead seems to be really quiet here. :) I have always been more of a reader than a poster and I anyway don't know what to write. ;) Currently I'm reading the Serpentwar Saga for the 2nd time and enjoying it nearly as much as the 1st time. In Austria it's 8 books and I'm reading the 7th now. Then the last one and after that I will try "The Fellowship Of The Rings" which is my first original english book. :) After that I may look for the "past-Labyrinth Of Shadows"-books. Which means Tear Of The Gods,... I dunno exactly which new books are there, but I will find out I'm sure. :) Well, enough said for now, I suppose. :) Have a nice day! Mike ====I feel a change...back to a better day...hair stands on the back of my neck...in wilderness is the preservation of the world...so seek the wolf in thyself! __________________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Wed Jul 18 10:51:26 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:51:26 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15MnzK-0004LB-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:51:26 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id KAA26261; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:51:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA03723; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 05:45:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA03714 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 05:45:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA28955 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 05:45:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA28935 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 05:45:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aragorn ([213.107.137.148]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20010718094546.PMSD294.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@aragorn> for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:45:46 +0100 Message-ID: <000d01c10f6e$eff69b60$030a0a01@home> X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "Le Vic" To: References: <000001c10f57$5a47a260$2100a8c0@pengelley.com> <003401c10f66$97073f80$4785fea9@Sonia> Subject: Re: Am I still on the list or is it just really quiet Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:49:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** From: "Le Vic" To: Subject: Re: Am I still on the list or is it just really quiet Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:49:28 +0100 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu > Oh ya. You're still on the list. And so am I. Maybe everyone else but you, > me and Darragh Murray have left the list! j/k. > My computer has been offline for the last two weeks and trust me, the list has been anything but quiet! All I have to do now is find the time to read best part of 400 email :) Le Vic "I don't believe in God, but I fear him"  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Wed Jul 18 14:46:11 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:46:11 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15MreV-0007JU-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:46:11 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id OAA03232; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:46:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA11327; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:44:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11318 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:43:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA07298 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:43:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usagi.cts.com (usagi.cts.com [209.68.192.66]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA07251 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 09:43:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [209.68.218.183] (putc3218183.cts.com [209.68.218.183]) by usagi.cts.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA92126 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 06:43:52 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mythusmage@mailbox4.cts.com (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000001c10f57$5a47a260$2100a8c0@pengelley.com> References: <000001c10f57$5a47a260$2100a8c0@pengelley.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 06:43:19 -0700 X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu From: Alan Kellogg Subject: Re: Am I still on the list or is it just really quiet Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 06:43:19 -0700 To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu From: Alan Kellogg Subject: Re: Am I still on the list or is it just really quiet Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu >I haven't received much mail in the past few days from the list and >suspect being dumped. > >CW What have we told you about eating crackers in bed. Of course you're being dumped. Inviting friends over all hours of the night, wearing the same briefs for months at a time. What did you expect? Do you have any idea what gas mask filters cost these days? And about your hobbies. We don't mind you animating the dead, but you keep forgetting to get them embalmed first. I don't think anybody minded the window on Mordor, but the door was going too far. BTW, the 101st Air Cavalry wants to talk to you about their casualties, and a band of orcs has started mugging people in Central Park. You wonder why we're dumping you. Just look at all the things you've pulled. Replacing the Moon with Mars, that wasn't going to cause problems? And who's idea was it to invite pixies to little Mary's confirmation? (FYI, Sister Mildred isn't due for another five months, but the child is already exhibiting psychokinetic abilities, and made a bilocative visit to Bishop Paul's study.) One final thing. Your dog is caught at the zoo eating the elephants again, you are going to be in deep trouble. I think it's about time we dumped you. I mean, you're the first person to piss off the entire Vulcan race. So off with you. You 'suspect' you're being dumped. God, some people are so clueless. Alan -- _______ Mythusmage.com, at its new location! mailto:mythusmage@mythusmage.com ICQ: 103299329  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Wed Jul 18 15:04:31 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:04:31 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15MrwE-0007dr-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:04:30 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id PAA03951; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:04:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA13374; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:02:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13360 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:02:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11235 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:02:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tango.SoftHome.net (tango.SoftHome.net [204.144.231.49]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA11143 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:02:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 4913 invoked by uid 417); 18 Jul 2001 14:08:56 -0000 Received: from cbr2-56k-105.tpgi.com.au (HELO heechee) (203.58.30.105) by i-softhome-tango with SMTP; 18 Jul 2001 14:08:56 -0000 Message-ID: <001301c10f92$8a7d64c0$691e3acb@heechee> X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "James Barker" To: References: <000001c10f57$5a47a260$2100a8c0@pengelley.com> Subject: Re: Am I still on the list or is it just really quiet Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 00:04:12 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** From: "James Barker" To: Subject: Re: Am I still on the list or is it just really quiet Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 00:04:12 +1000 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Kellogg To: Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 11:43 PM Subject: Re: Am I still on the list or is it just really quiet > What have we told you about eating crackers in bed. Of course you're > being dumped. Inviting friends over all hours of the night, wearing > the same briefs for months at a time. What did you expect? Do you > have any idea what gas mask filters cost these days? > > And about your hobbies. We don't mind you animating the dead, but you > keep forgetting to get them embalmed first. > > I don't think anybody minded the window on Mordor, but the door was > going too far. BTW, the 101st Air Cavalry wants to talk to you about > their casualties, and a band of orcs has started mugging people in > Central Park. > > You wonder why we're dumping you. Just look at all the things you've > pulled. Replacing the Moon with Mars, that wasn't going to cause > problems? And who's idea was it to invite pixies to little Mary's > confirmation? (FYI, Sister Mildred isn't due for another five months, > but the child is already exhibiting psychokinetic abilities, and made > a bilocative visit to Bishop Paul's study.) > > One final thing. Your dog is caught at the zoo eating the elephants > again, you are going to be in deep trouble. > > I think it's about time we dumped you. I mean, you're the first > person to piss off the entire Vulcan race. So off with you. > > You 'suspect' you're being dumped. God, some people are so clueless. ROFLMAO! Is that a quote from somewhere, or do you simply have too much time on your hands, Alan? :) Cheers, James  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Wed Jul 18 15:25:19 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:25:19 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15MsGM-00007c-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:25:18 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id PAA04639; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:25:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA14757; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:23:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14748 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:23:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29855 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:23:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.wrs.com (unknown-1-11.windriver.com [147.11.1.11]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA29810 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:23:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.swindon.wrsec.fr (mail.swindon.wrsec.fr [147.11.90.31]) by mail.wrs.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA04838 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 07:22:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ripple.windriver.com (ripple.swindon.wrsec.fr [147.11.90.27]) by mail.swindon.wrsec.fr (8.11.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f6IENCP27053 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:23:12 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010718152412.00e72cc0@mail.swindon.wrsec.fr> X-Sender: rip@mail.swindon.wrsec.fr X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:24:42 +0100 X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu From: Richard Williamson Subject: Re: Am I still on the list or is it just really quiet In-Reply-To: References: <000001c10f57$5a47a260$2100a8c0@pengelley.com> <000001c10f57$5a47a260$2100a8c0@pengelley.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 15:24:42 +0100 To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu From: Richard Williamson Subject: Re: Am I still on the list or is it just really quiet Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu At 06:43 AM 7/18/01 -0700, Alan Kellogg wrote: >>I haven't received much mail in the past few days from the list and >>suspect being dumped. >> >>CW > >What have we told you about eating crackers in bed. Of course you're being dumped. Inviting friends over all hours of the night, wearing the same briefs for months at a time. What did you expect? Do you have any idea what gas mask filters cost these days? WHOOOP! ROFLMAO too! rip  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Wed Jul 18 16:43:33 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:43:33 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15MtU5-00014I-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:43:33 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id QAA07319; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:43:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA18792; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:41:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA18783 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:41:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24798 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:41:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail008.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail008.syd.optusnet.com.au [203.2.75.232]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA24726 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:41:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wolf (perax4-234.dialup.optusnet.com.au [198.142.81.234]) by mail008.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f6IFfC626842 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 01:41:14 +1000 X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "David Pengelley" To: Subject: RE: Am I still on the list or is it just really quiet Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 23:41:26 +0800 Message-ID: <000701c10fa0$1cf9c700$2100a8c0@pengelley.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** From: "David Pengelley" To: Subject: RE: Am I still on the list or is it just really quiet Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 23:41:26 +0800 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Oh :( CW > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu > [mailto:owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Alan Kellogg > Sent: Wednesday, 18 July 2001 9:43 PM > To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu > Subject: Re: Am I still on the list or is it just really quiet > > > >I haven't received much mail in the past few days from the list and > >suspect being dumped. > > > >CW > > What have we told you about eating crackers in bed. Of course you're > being dumped. Inviting friends over all hours of the night, wearing > the same briefs for months at a time. What did you expect? Do you > have any idea what gas mask filters cost these days? > > And about your hobbies. We don't mind you animating the dead, but you > keep forgetting to get them embalmed first. > > I don't think anybody minded the window on Mordor, but the door was > going too far. BTW, the 101st Air Cavalry wants to talk to you about > their casualties, and a band of orcs has started mugging people in > Central Park. > > You wonder why we're dumping you. Just look at all the things you've > pulled. Replacing the Moon with Mars, that wasn't going to cause > problems? And who's idea was it to invite pixies to little Mary's > confirmation? (FYI, Sister Mildred isn't due for another five months, > but the child is already exhibiting psychokinetic abilities, and made > a bilocative visit to Bishop Paul's study.) > > One final thing. Your dog is caught at the zoo eating the elephants > again, you are going to be in deep trouble. > > I think it's about time we dumped you. I mean, you're the first > person to piss off the entire Vulcan race. So off with you. > > You 'suspect' you're being dumped. God, some people are so clueless. > > Alan > -- > _______ > > Mythusmage.com, at its new location! > mailto:mythusmage@mythusmage.com ICQ: 103299329  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Wed Jul 18 18:54:25 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:54:25 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15MvWj-0002OW-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:54:25 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id SAA11072; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:54:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA24822; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 13:47:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA24772 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 13:47:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13630 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 13:47:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web9010.mail.yahoo.com (web9010.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.128.172]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA13614 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 13:47:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010718174730.75040.qmail@web9010.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.35.181.107] by web9010.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:47:30 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:47:30 -0700 (PDT) X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: Peter Senser Subject: Re: Am I still on the list or is it just really quiet To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu In-Reply-To: <000001c10f57$5a47a260$2100a8c0@pengelley.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:47:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Peter Senser Subject: Re: Am I still on the list or is it just really quiet To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu I think it is more than quiet, I checked my e-mail for the first time in a few days yesterday and I had 2 messages from you guys. It is almost like no one likes Mr. Feist's books any more. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Wed Jul 18 18:58:36 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:58:36 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15Mvam-0002Qq-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:58:36 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id SAA11136; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:58:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA24977; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 13:49:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA24916 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 13:48:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15113 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 13:48:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web9007.mail.yahoo.com (web9007.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.128.169]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA15089 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 13:48:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010718174857.91101.qmail@web9007.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.35.181.107] by web9007.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:48:57 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:48:57 -0700 (PDT) X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: Peter Senser Subject: question for Mr Feist To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:48:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Peter Senser Subject: question for Mr Feist To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu I was just wondering how the new book is coming along. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Wed Jul 18 19:26:45 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 19:26:45 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15Mw21-0002fk-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 19:26:45 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id TAA11831; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 19:26:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA27698; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27686 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:19:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19317 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:19:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f85.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.85]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19002 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:19:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:19:08 -0700 Received: from 209.117.44.152 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:19:07 GMT X-Originating-IP: [209.117.44.152] X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "James Silva" To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: Am I still on the list or is it just really quiet Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:19:07 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2001 18:19:08.0009 (UTC) FILETIME=[227BD590:01C10FB6] Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** X-Originating-IP: [209.117.44.152] From: "James Silva" To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: Am I still on the list or is it just really quiet Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:19:07 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2001 18:19:08.0009 (UTC) FILETIME=[227BD590:01C10FB6] Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu >From: Peter Senser >Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu >To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu >Subject: Re: Am I still on the list or is it just really quiet >Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:47:30 -0700 (PDT) > > >I think it is more than quiet, I checked my e-mail for >the first time in a few days yesterday and I had 2 >messages from you guys. -----The reason why no one is posting is because everyone is rereading all of Ray's books in order to figure out just where it is that the Sauur have taken up residence, as it obviously is not the Thunderhell Stepps. > >It is almost like no one likes Mr. Feist's books any more. -----I still do. I just hope he finds an American Publisher for Honoured (Honored) Enemy. -----Adieu -----Jimmy > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Wed Jul 18 19:45:05 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 19:45:05 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15MwJl-0002p7-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 19:45:05 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id TAA12252; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 19:45:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA28950; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:40:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28938 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:39:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00627 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:39:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.san.rr.com (smtp1.san.rr.com [24.25.195.37]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00579 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:39:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (24-165-28-33.san.rr.com [24.165.28.33]) by smtp1.san.rr.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6IIef924798 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:40:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107181840.f6IIef924798@smtp1.san.rr.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:39:49 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.388) X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: Raymond Feist To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v388) In-Reply-To: <20010718174857.91101.qmail@web9007.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: question for Mr Feist Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:39:49 -0700 From: Raymond Feist To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: question for Mr Feist Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu On Wednesday, July 18, 2001, at 10:48 AM, Peter Senser wrote: > I was just wondering how the new book is coming along. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > Which one? Murder in LaMut is doing fine. Talon of the Silverhawk is starting to gell. Best, R.E.F. ---- Never attribute to malice what can satisfactorily be explained away by stupidity.  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Wed Jul 18 21:23:45 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 21:23:45 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15MxrF-0003jw-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 21:23:45 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id VAA15013; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 21:23:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA03627; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:16:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03618 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:16:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09099 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:16:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.ncn.com (mail.ncn.com [206.163.84.3]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09060 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:16:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gamina (ccc-9-24.chemeketa.edu [199.101.9.24]) by mail.ncn.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA25202 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 13:17:58 -0700 (PDT) X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "Earl Borah" To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 13:16:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Am I still on the list or is it just really quiet Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Message-ID: <3B558C32.17416.B47FD01@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <000001c10f57$5a47a260$2100a8c0@pengelley.com> References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** From: "Earl Borah" To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 13:16:34 -0700 Subject: Re: Am I still on the list or is it just really quiet Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Priority: normal Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu > I haven't received much mail in the past few days from the list and > suspect being dumped. It was pretty quiet all right -- only one post all day yesterday, from what I see. I think that's a record. I was concerned enough that I sent a subscription message to the listserver. If you do get unsubbed, you're going to have to do that anyway -- and if you haven't been unsubbed, you usually get a nice notice telling you that you're an idiot for trying to subscribe when you're already on the list. :) ----- "I dislike being wrong, and having to admit it publicly later. It's embarrassing, humiliating, and unnecessary. It would have been just as easy, and much more pleasant, to have been right in the first place." - Jack Richard, former Editor of Boardwatch Magazine  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Wed Jul 18 21:44:53 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 21:44:53 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15MyBg-0003tF-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 21:44:52 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id VAA15350; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 21:44:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA05555; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:39:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05541 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:39:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21189 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:39:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cow.iomart.com (machine125.iomart.com [212.38.173.125]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA21115 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:39:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MEWXAMD2 (user166-58.iomart.com [212.38.166.58]) by cow.iomart.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA16337 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 22:36:57 +0100 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "paul dutton" To: Subject: RE: Am I still on the list or is it just really quiet Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 21:35:53 +0100 Message-ID: <001e01c10fc9$3d1df0a0$3aa626d4@mcc.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3B558C32.17416.B47FD01@localhost> Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu From: "paul dutton" To: Subject: RE: Am I still on the list or is it just really quiet Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 21:35:53 +0100 Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Hi It is really quiet. Here in the UK the College & University types have just finished for the Summer Holidays, so perhaps that has an effect. Is REF still with us....I suppose even he has to have holidays sometime? Paul D > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu > [mailto:owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu]On Behalf Of Earl Borah > Sent: 18 July 2001 21:17 > To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu > Subject: Re: Am I still on the list or is it just really quiet > > > > I haven't received much mail in the past few days from the list and > > suspect being dumped. > > It was pretty quiet all right -- only one post all day yesterday, > from what I see. I think that's a record. > > I was concerned enough that I sent a subscription message to the > listserver. If you do get unsubbed, you're going to have to do that > anyway -- and if you haven't been unsubbed, you usually get a nice > notice telling you that you're an idiot for trying to subscribe when > you're already on the list. :) > > ----- > "I dislike being wrong, and having to admit it publicly later. It's > embarrassing, humiliating, and unnecessary. It would have been just > as easy, and much more pleasant, to have been right in the first place." > - Jack Richard, former Editor of Boardwatch Magazine >  1, edited,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Wed Jul 18 22:53:32 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 22:53:33 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15MzG8-0004SR-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 22:53:32 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id WAA18068; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 22:53:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA08812; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:46:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08803 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:46:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02501 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:46:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f41.law11.hotmail.com [64.4.17.41]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA02439 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:46:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:46:23 -0700 Received: from 216.68.205.3 by lw11fd.law11.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 21:46:23 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.68.205.3] X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "Steve Weghorn" To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Honored enemy Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:46:23 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2001 21:46:23.0483 (UTC) FILETIME=[169A94B0:01C10FD3] Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** X-Originating-IP: [216.68.205.3] From: "Steve Weghorn" To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Honored enemy Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:46:23 -0400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2001 21:46:23.0483 (UTC) FILETIME=[169A94B0:01C10FD3] Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Hello fellow Feist fans I was just curious if Honored Enemy was out in the UK yet, if so I need to get ordering. Thanks Steve Weghorn  1, edited,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Wed Jul 18 23:31:27 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 23:31:27 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15Mzqp-0004l9-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 23:31:27 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id XAA18883; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 23:31:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA10938; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:28:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10929 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:28:30 -0400 (EDT) From: RMAskren@aol.com Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15216 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:28:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.103]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15206 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:28:30 -0400 (EDT) X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) Received: from RMAskren@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.7.) id q.27.187c1905 (30961) for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:28:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <27.187c1905.2887678a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:28:26 EDT Subject: A message from John To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10513 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit *** EOOH *** From: RMAskren@aol.com Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:28:26 EDT Subject: A message from John To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Fellow Feist Fans, John Bunting, that collector of all things Feistian, keeper of the Web Ring, and master of Crydee.com wishes everyone to know he is suffering from some strange e-mail malady. To wit, he has none and will be incommunicato for a while on the List. If anyone needs to reach him, he is available via ICQ at 24624452. -Ralph Visit Elvandar.com and the Unofficial Atlas to the Worlds of Raymond E. Feist at http://www.elvandar.com  1, edited,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Wed Jul 18 23:50:52 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 23:50:52 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15N09c-0004te-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 23:50:52 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id XAA19237; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 23:50:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA12202; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:48:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA12193 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:48:31 -0400 (EDT) From: RBlackley@aol.com Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27543 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:48:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo-m07.mx.aol.com (imo-m07.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.162]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA27527 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:48:30 -0400 (EDT) X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) Received: from RBlackley@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.7.) id q.f7.cac405f (2616) for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:48:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:48:25 EDT Subject: pug's parents To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10529 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit *** EOOH *** From: RBlackley@aol.com Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:48:25 EDT Subject: pug's parents To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu sorry if this has been asked a hundred times before! i may have missed it entirely but is it mentioned in any of the books who Pug's parents are? Richard  1,, X-Coding-System: iso-latin-1-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Thu Jul 19 00:26:17 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 00:26:17 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15N0hs-0005Ao-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 00:26:16 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id AAA19889; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 00:26:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA14041; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 19:23:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA14032 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 19:23:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01584 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 19:23:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA01579 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 19:23:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from war.Aus.Sun.COM ([129.158.10.191]) by mercury.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA12462 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 16:23:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from milamber (milamber [129.158.12.172]) by war.Aus.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with SMTP id JAA01783 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 09:23:25 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <200107182323.JAA01783@war.Aus.Sun.COM> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 09:23:25 +1000 (EST) X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: David Smith - NT Interoperability Engineer Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: pug's parents To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-MD5: P5UdlQh1FvxyQuPDeWELqg== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.3.0 @(#)CDE Version 1.4.2 SunOS 5.8 sun4u sparc X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by elist01.mail.cornell.edu id TAA14032 Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by m1.cs.man.ac.uk id AAA19889 *** EOOH *** Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 09:23:25 +1000 (EST) From: David Smith - NT Interoperability Engineer Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: pug's parents To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Nope, Pugs parents were just commoners... no one "special", so to speak. -- David Smith » sorry if this has been asked a hundred times before! » » i may have missed it entirely but is it mentioned in any of the books who » Pug's parents are? » » Richard  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Thu Jul 19 00:55:22 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 00:55:22 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15N1A1-0005Nh-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 00:55:21 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id AAA20366; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 00:55:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA16037; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 19:52:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA15997 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 19:52:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26700 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 19:52:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA26675 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 19:52:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bloodaxe.demon.co.uk ([194.222.19.128]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15N16o-000K3v-0B for FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 23:52:02 +0000 Message-ID: <7nKkkgCNDiV7Ew5h@bloodaxe.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 00:50:37 +0100 X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu From: Andrea J Chee Subject: Re: Honored enemy References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 U <53FqO0TonWD1n3Vxbi7E3Jm7x8> Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 00:50:37 +0100 To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu From: Andrea J Chee Subject: Re: Honored enemy Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu In article , Steve Weghorn writes >
>
Hello fellow Feist fans I was just curious if Honored Enemy was out in the >UK yet, if so I need to get ordering.
>
            &nb >sp;              >;             & >nbsp;            &nb >sp;              >;    Thanks
>
            &nb >sp;              >;             & >nbsp;            &nb >sp;          Steve >Weghorn

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Amazon says 6th August. Other people may have more reliable news about release dates. When looking it up, remember that in the UK we spell it 'honoured'. Strongly recommend you turn off the HTML for obvious reasons! - ANDREA -- Get PAID for the emails you already send and receive! http://www.mailround.com/ Referrer: andrea@bloodaxe.com ^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^ ANDROMEDA - Internet Goddess http://www.bloodaxe.com/ Bloodaxe's History Links: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/5055/ The Loony Bin Archive: http://loonies.net800.co.uk/  1, edited,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Thu Jul 19 02:10:59 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 02:10:59 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15N2LD-00061w-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 02:10:59 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id CAA21436; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 02:10:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA18820; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 21:09:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA18811 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 21:09:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA24856 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 21:09:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailin1.bigpond.com (juicer13.bigpond.com [139.134.6.21]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA24788 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 21:09:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from css01.css.com.au ([139.134.4.58]) by mailin1.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GGP4SS00.92D for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:14:52 +1000 Received: from CPE-61-9-149-25.vic.bigpond.net.au ([61.9.149.25]) by mail1.bigpond.com(MailRouter V2.9g 1/10947802); 19 Jul 2001 11:09:06 Received: by css01.css.com.au with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:08:16 +1000 Message-ID: X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: Alan Mills To: "'FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu'" Subject: RE: pug's parents Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:08:07 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" *** EOOH *** From: Alan Mills To: "'FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu'" Subject: RE: pug's parents Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:08:07 +1000 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu It's not mentioned in the books anywhere. Ray has said they were, IIRC, a maid at Crydee and a wandering mercenary. Allan -----Original Message----- >From: RBlackley@aol.com [mailto:RBlackley@aol.com] >Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 8:48 AM >To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu >Subject: pug's parents > > >sorry if this has been asked a hundred times before! > >i may have missed it entirely but is it mentioned in any of the books who >Pug's parents are? > >Richard  1, edited,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Thu Jul 19 03:30:35 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 03:30:35 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15N3aF-0006ac-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 03:30:35 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id DAA22845; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 03:30:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA21929; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 22:28:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21920 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 22:28:44 -0400 (EDT) From: RBlackley@aol.com Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07623 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 22:28:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.100]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA07523 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 22:28:42 -0400 (EDT) X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) Received: from RBlackley@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31.7.) id q.ff.934bfe2 (4231) for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 22:28:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 22:28:28 EDT Subject: Re: pug's parents To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows US sub 10529 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit *** EOOH *** From: RBlackley@aol.com Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 22:28:28 EDT Subject: Re: pug's parents To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu In a message dated 7/18/2001 9:13:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, milla@css.com.au writes: > It's not mentioned in the books anywhere. Ray has said they were, IIRC, a > maid at Crydee and a wandering mercenary. > > Allan > thank you  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Thu Jul 19 04:23:36 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 04:23:36 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15N4PX-0006ye-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 04:23:35 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id EAA23822; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 04:23:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA24983; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 23:21:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA24974 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 23:21:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA16190 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 23:21:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.neb.rr.com (fe1.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.163.48]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA16179 for ; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 23:21:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from knightfall ([24.169.252.116]) by mail1.neb.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.537.53); Wed, 18 Jul 2001 22:21:04 -0500 X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "Sean Gilliam" To: "FEISTFANS-L" Subject: Magician 20th Anniversary Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 22:20:56 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** From: "Sean Gilliam" To: "FEISTFANS-L" Subject: Magician 20th Anniversary Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 22:20:56 -0500 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu A while back there was some talk of a 20th anniversary edition of Magician. Is this still in the works? I don't suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it!  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Thu Jul 19 05:38:52 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 05:38:53 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15N5aO-0007ci-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 05:38:52 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id FAA25070; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 05:38:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA28585; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 00:37:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA28576 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 00:37:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA28183 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 00:37:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from falcon.lhup.edu (falcon.lhup.edu [151.161.11.6]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA28170 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 00:37:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from farpoint (client-141-151-103-120.ultraisp.com [141.151.103.120]) by falcon.lhup.edu (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/8.7) with SMTP id AAA73082 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 00:37:04 -0400 Message-ID: <004e01c1100b$eac5c9c0$20dcfea9@ultraisp.com> X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "Falerin" To: References: <200107181840.f6IIef924798@smtp1.san.rr.com> Subject: An intoduction. Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 00:33:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** From: "Falerin" To: Subject: An intoduction. Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 00:33:08 -0400 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Greetings All, My name is William Donges though I am known almost universally on the net as Falerin Ardendor. I am a pretty avid fan of Ray's works now but I must admit it was somewhat sacrilegeous.. I was first given a copy of Magician: Apprentice in the very late eighties or early nineties and really liked it.. I could not find the Master half at all and frankly I allowed my self to stop reading Ray's work untill last year when I came upon a used bookstore with Hard Cover copies of the entire Riftwar Saga which I promptly bought. I quickly decided I liked the combined version better then the split version of Magician and followed the rest of the works. Then hit a brick wall getting the series of books that dealt with Arutha's children, I forced my local library to use Interlibrary loan and get the books in question then got ahold of the Empire series and read them voraciously. As difficult as the process of putting them down may have been they were nonetheless thrilling to read. I than quickly went on to read the Serpentwar Saga as well. And have now began reading the Riftwar: Legacy books which are really good. Sometimes books based on or inspired from games can be odd... but I really liked Krondor: The Betrayal... I particularly liked the character of Gorath since as a Roleplayer and a Game Master I have always stressed the idea that to every stereotype there is something to challenge it completely. Anyway thats about it.. I think I remember Mr. Kellogg from another list at some point in my ancient past.. I am sure I do in fact but I don't recall which one? Now that I have bored everyone terribly with my rambling I will have the audacity to ask a few questions of Ray.. I say audacity because its probably frequently asked but well.... I am completely out of the loop as far as such things go. And I have no idea whats coming next and when... Anyway my general question is: Can we expect to see a kelewan focused or even partially kelewan set novel (like magician was) in the future? I know that its been said, in an old FAQ, that writing another book with Janny Wurts was unlikely, but does this mean Kelewan is a dead world literarily?  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Thu Jul 19 06:04:10 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 06:04:10 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15N5ys-0000JI-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 06:04:10 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id GAA25384; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 06:04:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA29976; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 01:02:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA29967 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 01:02:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA16475 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 01:02:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta04.mail.mel.aone.net.au (mta04.mail.au.uu.net [203.2.192.84]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA16461 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 01:02:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([63.34.216.50]) by mta04.mail.mel.aone.net.au with ESMTP id <20010719050233.JACQ12944.mta04.mail.mel.aone.net.au@[192.168.0.2]> for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 15:02:33 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: kenosti@pop.ozemail.com.au Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <004e01c1100b$eac5c9c0$20dcfea9@ultraisp.com> References: <200107181840.f6IIef924798@smtp1.san.rr.com> <004e01c1100b$eac5c9c0$20dcfea9@ultraisp.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 15:00:48 +1000 X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu From: Anestis Kozakis Subject: Re: An intoduction. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 15:00:48 +1000 To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu From: Anestis Kozakis Subject: Re: An intoduction. Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu William Wrote : >Anyway my general question is: >Can we expect to see a kelewan focused or even partially kelewan set novel >(like magician was) in the future? I know that its been said, in an old FAQ, >that writing another book with Janny Wurts was unlikely, but does this mean >Kelewan is a dead world literarily? Ray has never said that writing another book with Janny was unlikely. He said that writing another Kelewan book (with or without Janny) was not going to happen. If Janny has time to work with Ray on another collaboration/co-authored novel, then we may see another Ray/Janny novel. All we need to know about Kelewan we saw in the "Empire" trilogy, and anything else we see will be snippets from the Midkemia point of view. Hmm, I think that about sums it up. Did I miss anything? Anestis. -- kenosti@labyrinth.net.au "A complete list of this film's associate producers is available upon request." -- In End Credits for "State and Main"  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Thu Jul 19 06:13:13 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 06:13:13 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15N67c-0000Oo-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 06:13:12 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id GAA25492; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 06:13:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA00201; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 01:10:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA00191 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 01:10:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA23095 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 01:10:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web11902.mail.yahoo.com (web11902.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.186]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA23080 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 01:10:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010719051034.35508.qmail@web11902.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.40.40.235] by web11902.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Jul 2001 22:10:34 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 22:10:34 -0700 (PDT) X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: Joshua Stanton Subject: Re: question for Mr Feist To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu In-Reply-To: <200107181840.f6IIef924798@smtp1.san.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 22:10:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Joshua Stanton Subject: Re: question for Mr Feist To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu "gell"? Miss-type or a bad dictionary? I couldn't find it. ~Joshua~ PS How is it one story can go so smoothly and the other be such a pain? Oh, irony. Hope it gets better. :) --- Raymond Feist wrote: > Which one? > > in LaMut is doing fine. Talon of the > Silverhawk is starting to > gell. > > Best, R.E.F. > > ---- > > Never attribute to malice what can satisfactorily be > explained away by > stupidity. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Thu Jul 19 06:15:54 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 06:15:54 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15N6AE-0000Pj-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 06:15:54 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id GAA25562; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 06:15:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA00748; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 01:14:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA00739 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 01:14:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA16492 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 01:14:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pandora.chariot.net.au (mail.chariot.net.au [203.30.236.84]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA16462 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 01:14:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chariot.net.au (mail.chariot.net.au [203.30.236.84]) by pandora.chariot.net.au (8.11.1/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6J5EL531449 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:44:21 +0930 X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "Mark Tonkin" Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 05:14:21 GMT Subject: Re: Magician 20th Anniversary Message-id: <3b566cad.7ab5.0@chariot.net.au> X-User-Info: 203.202.88.90 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: shadowfire@chariot.net.au X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** From: "Mark Tonkin" Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 05:14:21 GMT Subject: Re: Magician 20th Anniversary X-User-Info: 203.202.88.90 As far as I know it is still to be released next year some time in both England & Australia. I don't know if Ray's American publisher ever decided to release it or not, but last I heard there were no plans for a 20th anniversary edition in America. What I wan't to know is if we're going to be able to get the leather bound (and preferably Author Signed & numbered) copies of the 20th anniversary edition of Magician. Ray, do you know any more details - or even an approximate month of release? Thanks. - MARK >A while back there was some talk of a 20th anniversary edition of Magician. >Is this still in the works? > > >I don't suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it! > >  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Thu Jul 19 07:37:30 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 07:37:30 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15N7RC-00014Q-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 07:37:30 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id HAA27059; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 07:37:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA05140; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 02:35:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA05131 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 02:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA24797 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 02:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailin6.bigpond.com (juicer03.bigpond.com [139.134.6.79]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA24747 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 02:35:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from css01.css.com.au ([139.134.4.53]) by mailin6.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GGPJW100.ATC for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:40:49 +1000 Received: from CPE-61-9-149-25.vic.bigpond.net.au ([61.9.149.25]) by mail0.bigpond.com(MailRouter V2.9g 13/611030); 19 Jul 2001 16:35:06 Received: by css01.css.com.au with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:34:21 +1000 Message-ID: X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: Alan Mills To: "'FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu'" Subject: e-books Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:34:21 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** From: Alan Mills To: "'FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu'" Subject: e-books Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:34:21 +1000 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Anyone got any comments on this : http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/lv-crime/2001/jul/18/512096646.htm l Allan  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Thu Jul 19 08:14:46 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 08:14:46 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15N81G-0001PS-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 08:14:46 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id IAA27575; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 08:14:45 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA06570; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 03:12:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA06561 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 03:12:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA07654 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 03:12:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.wrs.com (unknown-1-11.windriver.com [147.11.1.11]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA07649 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 03:12:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.swindon.wrsec.fr (mail.swindon.wrsec.fr [147.11.90.31]) by mail.wrs.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA28511 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 00:12:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ripple.windriver.com (ripple.swindon.wrsec.fr [147.11.90.27]) by mail.swindon.wrsec.fr (8.11.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f6J7CQP19320 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 08:12:26 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010719081228.00f60470@mail.swindon.wrsec.fr> X-Sender: rip@mail.swindon.wrsec.fr X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 08:13:54 +0100 X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu From: Richard Williamson Subject: Re: question for Mr Feist In-Reply-To: <20010719051034.35508.qmail@web11902.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200107181840.f6IIef924798@smtp1.san.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 08:13:54 +0100 To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu From: Richard Williamson Subject: Re: question for Mr Feist Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu ' to gel ', same root as ' gelatin '. To come together and solidify. So it is A Good Thing when applied to a literary work, in this manner. rip At 10:10 PM 7/18/01 -0700, Joshua Stanton wrote: >"gell"? > >Miss-type or a bad dictionary? I couldn't find it. >~Joshua~ > >PS How is it one story can go so smoothly and the >other be such a pain? > >Oh, irony. > >Hope it gets better. :) > >--- Raymond Feist wrote: >> Which one? >> >> in LaMut is doing fine. Talon of the >> Silverhawk is starting to >> gell. >> >> Best, R.E.F. >> >> ---- >> >> Never attribute to malice what can satisfactorily be >> explained away by >> stupidity. >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Thu Jul 19 12:47:13 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 12:47:13 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15NCGv-0004V7-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 12:47:13 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id MAA04869; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 12:47:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA14111; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 07:40:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA14102 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 07:40:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA24510 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 07:40:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f49.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.49]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA24503 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 07:40:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 04:40:26 -0700 Received: from 207.86.249.232 by lw3fd.law3.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:40:26 GMT X-Originating-IP: [207.86.249.232] X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "James Silva" To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: American Editions Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:40:26 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2001 11:40:26.0183 (UTC) FILETIME=[9A609D70:01C11047] Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** X-Originating-IP: [207.86.249.232] From: "James Silva" To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: American Editions Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:40:26 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2001 11:40:26.0183 (UTC) FILETIME=[9A609D70:01C11047] Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu I here talk of Honored Enemy not being released in the States, then I here that if there is a 20th anniversary edition of Magician, it may not be released Stateside either. What is the deal? Is it simply a delay in finding publishers here? Or are they not going to be released at all? Also, are there any previous R.E.F. works out there that have never been released in the States, and thus never made it to my collection? Adieu Jimmy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp  1, edited,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Thu Jul 19 14:36:56 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:36:56 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15NDz6-0005nM-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:36:56 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id OAA08049; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:36:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA18442; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 09:34:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA18433 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 09:34:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA26699 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 09:34:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pandora.chariot.net.au (mail.chariot.net.au [203.30.236.84]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA26636 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 09:34:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shadow (ppp-048.cust210-9-29.ghr.chariot.net.au [210.9.29.48]) by pandora.chariot.net.au (8.11.1/8.10.0) with SMTP id f6JDYfr03894 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 23:04:41 +0930 Message-ID: <001d01c11057$04696620$301d09d2@adam.com.au> X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "Mark Tonkin" To: References: Subject: Re: American Editions Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 23:00:44 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** From: "Mark Tonkin" To: Subject: Re: American Editions Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 23:00:44 +0930 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu For Honoured Enemy, Ray has said previously that he and Mr Forstchen had been unable to get a satisfactory deal with an American publisher, but there is talk of HarperCollins UK exporting it to the US. As for the 20th Aniversary edition of Magician, I believe that previously the American publishers didn't feel that there was enough market for the book, seeing as there has been several re-releases of the book already (most notably the Authors Preferred Edition). I have no idea what there current opinion is though, this discussion took place a long time ago (last year sometime I think). I live in Australia, so it doesn't really bother me :-). - MARK ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Silva" To: Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 11:40 AM Subject: American Editions > I here talk of Honored Enemy not being released in the States, then I here > that if there is a 20th anniversary edition of Magician, it may not be > released Stateside either. What is the deal? Is it simply a delay in finding > publishers here? Or are they not going to be released at all? Also, are > there any previous R.E.F. works out there that have never been released in > the States, and thus never made it to my collection? > > Adieu > > Jimmy > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp >  1, edited,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Thu Jul 19 16:51:46 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:51:46 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15NG5a-0007Lx-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:51:46 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id QAA12050; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:51:45 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA24414; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:50:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA24362 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:49:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28090 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:49:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from falcon.lhup.edu (falcon.lhup.edu [151.161.11.6]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28053 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:49:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ulme9 (ulme9.lhup.edu [151.161.14.204]) by falcon.lhup.edu (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/8.7) with SMTP id LAA83120 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:49:40 -0400 Message-ID: <001901c1106a$6f93a790$cc0ea197@lhup.edu> X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "Falerin Ardendor" To: References: <200107181840.f6IIef924798@smtp1.san.rr.com><004e01c1100b$eac5c9c0$20dcfea9@ultraisp.com> Subject: Re: An intoduction. Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:49:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** From: "Falerin Ardendor" To: Subject: Re: An intoduction. Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:49:45 -0400 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu > William Wrote : > > >Anyway my general question is: > >Can we expect to see a kelewan focused or even partially kelewan set novel > >(like magician was) in the future? I know that its been said, in an old FAQ, > >that writing another book with Janny Wurts was unlikely, but does this mean > >Kelewan is a dead world literarily? > > Ray has never said that writing another book with Janny was unlikely. > > He said that writing another Kelewan book (with or without Janny) was > not going to happen. > > If Janny has time to work with Ray on another > collaboration/co-authored novel, then we may see another Ray/Janny > novel. > > All we need to know about Kelewan we saw in the "Empire" trilogy, and > anything else we see will be snippets from the Midkemia point of view. Well I was going from the Raymond E. Feist FAQ (An amiditedly out of date document) that says: D.1. Q: Will Ray and Janny do any more books? D.1. A: Probably not. Ray said that while the process was fun it was very tough for both authors. It does not mention anything about Kelewan not being written about anymore. And the information you provided says just the opposite... So I am very confused.... Falerin  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Thu Jul 19 16:53:32 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:53:32 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15NG7H-0007Mg-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:53:31 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id QAA12096; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:53:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA24485; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:52:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA24474 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:52:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07405 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:52:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.san.rr.com (smtp1.san.rr.com [24.25.195.37]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA07349 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:52:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (24-165-28-33.san.rr.com [24.165.28.33]) by smtp1.san.rr.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6JFr0913847 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 08:53:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107191553.f6JFr0913847@smtp1.san.rr.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 08:52:08 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.388) X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: Raymond Feist To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v388) In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: e-books Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 08:52:08 -0700 From: Raymond Feist To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: e-books Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu On Wednesday, July 18, 2001, at 11:34 PM, Alan Mills wrote: > Anyone got any comments on this : > http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/lv- > crime/2001/jul/18/512096646.htm > l > > > Allan > > That link is dead, Allan. What was the story about? Best, R.E.F. ---- Never attribute to malice what can satisfactorily be explained away by stupidity.  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Thu Jul 19 16:54:24 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:54:24 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15NG88-0007N1-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:54:24 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id QAA12108; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:54:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA24602; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:52:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA24579 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:52:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04127 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:52:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.san.rr.com (smtp1.san.rr.com [24.25.195.37]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA04083 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:52:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (24-165-28-33.san.rr.com [24.165.28.33]) by smtp1.san.rr.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6JFrb913982 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 08:53:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107191553.f6JFrb913982@smtp1.san.rr.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 08:52:45 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.388) X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: Raymond Feist To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v388) In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Magician 20th Anniversary Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 08:52:45 -0700 From: Raymond Feist To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: Magician 20th Anniversary Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu On Wednesday, July 18, 2001, at 08:20 PM, Sean Gilliam wrote: > A while back there was some talk of a 20th anniversary edition of > Magician. > Is this still in the works? > > > Yes. There will be a 20th Anniversary hardcover of the book in the UK. We're still looking to see who might want to do it in the US. Best, R.E.F. ---- Never attribute to malice what can satisfactorily be explained away by stupidity.  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Thu Jul 19 16:54:49 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:54:49 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15NG8X-0007NS-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:54:49 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id QAA12124; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:54:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA24338; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:49:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA24329 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:49:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27103 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:49:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.san.rr.com (smtp1.san.rr.com [24.25.195.37]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27052 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:49:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (24-165-28-33.san.rr.com [24.165.28.33]) by smtp1.san.rr.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6JFoB913228 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 08:50:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107191550.f6JFoB913228@smtp1.san.rr.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 08:49:19 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.388) X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: Raymond Feist To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v388) In-Reply-To: <004e01c1100b$eac5c9c0$20dcfea9@ultraisp.com> Subject: Re: An intoduction. Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 08:49:19 -0700 From: Raymond Feist To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: An intoduction. Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu On Wednesday, July 18, 2001, at 09:33 PM, Falerin wrote: > > Anyway my general question is: > Can we expect to see a kelewan focused or even partially kelewan set > novel > (like magician was) in the future? I know that its been said, in an old > FAQ, > that writing another book with Janny Wurts was unlikely, but does this > mean > Kelewan is a dead world literarily? > > Welcome. Kelewan will be shown in part during the 3rd Riftwar. Janny and I may do another book together in the future, as part of the Legends of the RIftwar series. But we won't do a full on Empire book because, basically, we can't think of a story we'd like to do there. We've talked about it a couple of times and every time we start it it goes something like, "Why don't we do a story about Justin and the conservatives trying to go back to the old style of rulership?" Then we look at each other and go, 'Naw." We pretty much used up everything we had for that series. Best, R.E.F. ---- Never attribute to malice what can satisfactorily be explained away by stupidity.  1, edited,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Thu Jul 19 16:56:11 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:56:11 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15NG9r-0007Ox-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:56:11 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id QAA12161; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:56:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA24468; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:51:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA24443 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:51:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02265 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:51:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from falcon.lhup.edu (falcon.lhup.edu [151.161.11.6]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA02222 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:51:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ulme9 (ulme9.lhup.edu [151.161.14.204]) by falcon.lhup.edu (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/8.7) with SMTP id LAA75742 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:51:38 -0400 Message-ID: <002c01c1106a$b6226610$cc0ea197@lhup.edu> X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "Falerin Ardendor" To: References: Subject: Re: e-books Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:51:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** From: "Falerin Ardendor" To: Subject: Re: e-books Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:51:44 -0400 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu I cannot comment on it because the website wont open in my browser. "Path information unrecognizable" Shrug Fal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Mills" To: Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 2:34 AM Subject: e-books > Anyone got any comments on this : > http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/lv-crime/2001/jul/18/512096646.html > > > Allan > >  1, edited,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Thu Jul 19 16:56:36 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:56:36 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15NGAG-0007PD-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:56:36 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id QAA12165; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:56:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA24633; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:54:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA24624 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:54:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07480 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:54:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.san.rr.com (smtp1.san.rr.com [24.25.195.37]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA07446 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:54:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (24-165-28-33.san.rr.com [24.165.28.33]) by smtp1.san.rr.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6JFth914523 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 08:55:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107191555.f6JFth914523@smtp1.san.rr.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 08:54:51 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.388) X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: Raymond Feist To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v388) In-Reply-To: <20010719051034.35508.qmail@web11902.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: question for Mr Feist Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii *** EOOH *** Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 08:54:51 -0700 From: Raymond Feist To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: question for Mr Feist Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu On Wednesday, July 18, 2001, at 10:10 PM, Joshua Stanton wrote: > "gell"? > It's a variant of "Jell." I tend to use it because of my theater background, wherein a "gel" is a colored transparency you put over a light to give it color. Probably has only one "l" but what the heck. > Miss-type or a bad dictionary? I couldn't find it. > ~Joshua~ > > PS How is it one story can go so smoothly and the > other be such a pain? Most of my books are a pain during chapter one. Takes a while for me to get going. Then by chapter 3 I'm rolling along. Best, R.E.F. ---- Never attribute to malice what can satisfactorily be explained away by stupidity.  1, edited,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Thu Jul 19 17:08:59 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 17:08:59 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15NGMF-0007Yo-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 17:08:59 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id RAA12628; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 17:08:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA28569; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 12:04:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28560 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 12:03:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18264 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 12:03:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exchange.sitelite.com ([207.0.53.32]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA18236 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 12:03:54 -0400 (EDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4418.65 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: e-books Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 09:03:26 -0700 Message-ID: <59C1ACFC618C6148AA1B10B87FF34CD7E7B018@sun.slnpb.sitelite.com> Thread-Topic: e-books Thread-Index: AcEQHXQ987j7jvBtTAKFIeY40QU9ZAATr8KA X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "Russell Teeter" To: Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" *** EOOH *** content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: e-books Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 09:03:26 -0700 Thread-Topic: e-books Thread-Index: AcEQHXQ987j7jvBtTAKFIeY40QU9ZAATr8KA From: "Russell Teeter" To: Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Remember people, you have to cut an paste the whole string - without the http info, it would look like this: www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/lv-crime/2001/jul/18/512096646.html Russell Teeter -----Original Message----- >From: Alan Mills [mailto:milla@css.com.au] >Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 11:34 PM >To: 'FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu' >Subject: e-books > > > Anyone got any comments on this : >http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/lv-crime/2001/jul/18/512096646 >.htm >l > > > Allan  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Thu Jul 19 17:15:23 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 17:15:23 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15NGSQ-0007d6-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 17:15:22 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id RAA12878; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 17:15:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA28953; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 12:08:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28938 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 12:08:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22450 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 12:08:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from falcon.lhup.edu (falcon.lhup.edu [151.161.11.6]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22409 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 12:08:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ulme9 (ulme9.lhup.edu [151.161.14.204]) by falcon.lhup.edu (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/8.7) with SMTP id MAA91800 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 12:07:57 -0400 Message-ID: <009701c1106c$fd92e720$cc0ea197@lhup.edu> X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "Falerin Ardendor" To: References: <200107191550.f6JFoB913228@smtp1.san.rr.com> Subject: Re: An intoduction. Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 12:08:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** From: "Falerin Ardendor" To: Subject: Re: An intoduction. Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 12:08:02 -0400 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Well you could always do something completely different with Kelewan... I mean presumably its subject to many of the same dark forces that plague Midkemia... a novel about how they deal with such an attack could be interesting... Maybe... Heh Fal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond Feist" To: Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 11:49 AM Subject: Re: An intoduction. > > On Wednesday, July 18, 2001, at 09:33 PM, Falerin wrote: > > > > > > Anyway my general question is: > > Can we expect to see a kelewan focused or even partially kelewan set > > novel > > (like magician was) in the future? I know that its been said, in an old > > FAQ, > > that writing another book with Janny Wurts was unlikely, but does this > > mean > > Kelewan is a dead world literarily? > > > > > > > Welcome. > > Kelewan will be shown in part during the 3rd Riftwar. Janny and I may > do another book together in the future, as part of the Legends of the > RIftwar series. But we won't do a full on Empire book because, > basically, we can't think of a story we'd like to do there. We've > talked about it a couple of times and every time we start it it goes > something like, "Why don't we do a story about Justin and the > conservatives trying to go back to the old style of rulership?" Then we > look at each other and go, 'Naw." We pretty much used up everything we > had for that series. > > Best, R.E.F. > ---- > > Never attribute to malice what can satisfactorily be explained away by > stupidity. > >  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Thu Jul 19 17:16:54 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 17:16:54 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15NGTt-0007ej-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 17:16:54 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id RAA12918; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 17:16:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA29408; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 12:13:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29399 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 12:13:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14487 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 12:13:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.wrs.com (unknown-1-11.windriver.com [147.11.1.11]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14457 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 12:13:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.swindon.wrsec.fr (mail.swindon.wrsec.fr [147.11.90.31]) by mail.wrs.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA17224 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 09:13:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ripple.windriver.com (ripple.swindon.wrsec.fr [147.11.90.27]) by mail.swindon.wrsec.fr (8.11.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f6JGDlP07083 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 17:13:47 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010719171248.00ea0a00@mail.swindon.wrsec.fr> X-Sender: rip@mail.swindon.wrsec.fr X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 17:15:13 +0100 X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu From: Richard Williamson Subject: Re: e-books In-Reply-To: <200107191553.f6JFr0913847@smtp1.san.rr.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 17:15:13 +0100 To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu From: Richard Williamson Subject: Re: e-books Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu At 08:52 AM 7/19/01 -0700, Raymond Feist wrote: > That link is dead, Allan. What was the story about? The Russian programmer at DEFCON in Las Vegas, who wrote code that defeats the security features of PDF based ebooks, making them readable in any PDF viewer. He was arrested by the FBI at the airport on his way home, for violations of the CDMA (supplying code that defeats copyright protection). rip  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Thu Jul 19 17:38:50 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 17:38:50 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15NGp8-000042-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 17:38:50 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id RAA13569; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 17:38:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA02261; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 12:37:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA02252 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 12:37:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22675 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 12:37:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.san.rr.com (smtp1.san.rr.com [24.25.195.37]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22642 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 12:37:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (24-165-28-33.san.rr.com [24.165.28.33]) by smtp1.san.rr.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6JGcD924138 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 09:38:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107191638.f6JGcD924138@smtp1.san.rr.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 09:37:22 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.388) X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: Raymond Feist To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v388) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010719171248.00ea0a00@mail.swindon.wrsec.fr> Subject: Re: e-books Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 09:37:22 -0700 From: Raymond Feist To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: e-books Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu On Thursday, July 19, 2001, at 09:15 AM, Richard Williamson wrote: > At 08:52 AM 7/19/01 -0700, Raymond Feist wrote: >> That link is dead, Allan. What was the story about? > > The Russian programmer at DEFCON in Las Vegas, who wrote code > that defeats the security features of PDF based ebooks, making > them readable in any PDF viewer. > > He was arrested by the FBI at the airport on his way home, for > violations of the CDMA (supplying code that defeats copyright > protection). > > rip > > Oh, that thing. Yes, it's being discussed on the SFWA (Science Fiction/Fantasy Writers of America) forum at SFnet.com. I know very little about it. It's being denounced as Draconian by Jerry Pournelle and others. Best, R.E.F. ---- Never attribute to malice what can satisfactorily be explained away by stupidity.  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Thu Jul 19 18:19:07 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 18:19:07 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15NHS7-0000RW-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 18:19:07 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id SAA14635; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 18:19:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA04228; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 13:12:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04217 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 13:12:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18815 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 13:12:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fepB.post.tele.dk (fepB.post.tele.dk [195.41.46.145]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA18801 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 13:12:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from badeanddk ([194.239.186.89]) by fepB.post.tele.dk (InterMail vM.4.01.03.21 201-229-121-121-20010307) with SMTP id <20010719171215.CRZT3246.fepB.post.tele.dk@badeanddk> for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 19:12:15 +0200 Message-ID: <002c01c11075$9b0e7ac0$59baefc2@badeanddk> X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "LaughingFrog" To: References: <200107191553.f6JFrb913982@smtp1.san.rr.com> Subject: Re: Magician 20th Anniversary Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 19:09:43 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** From: "LaughingFrog" To: Subject: Re: Magician 20th Anniversary Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 19:09:43 +0200 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu How about spevial editions of some of the other books.... now where gonna have 3 version of the same book... the normal, Authors Preferred Edition, and now 20th anniversary edition... :) LaughingFrog ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond Feist" To: Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 5:52 PM Subject: Re: Magician 20th Anniversary > > On Wednesday, July 18, 2001, at 08:20 PM, Sean Gilliam wrote: > > > A while back there was some talk of a 20th anniversary edition of > > Magician. > > Is this still in the works? > > > > > > > > Yes. There will be a 20th Anniversary hardcover of the book in the UK. > We're still looking to see who might want to do it in the US. > > Best, R.E.F. > ---- > > Never attribute to malice what can satisfactorily be explained away by > stupidity. >  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Thu Jul 19 19:32:26 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 19:32:27 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15NIb4-00013Y-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 19:32:26 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id TAA16194; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 19:32:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA07709; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:30:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA07685 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:30:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00983 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:30:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.san.rr.com (smtp1.san.rr.com [24.25.195.37]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00978 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 14:30:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (24-165-28-33.san.rr.com [24.165.28.33]) by smtp1.san.rr.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6JIVR901000 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:31:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107191831.f6JIVR901000@smtp1.san.rr.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:30:36 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.388) X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: Raymond Feist To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v388) In-Reply-To: <002c01c11075$9b0e7ac0$59baefc2@badeanddk> Subject: Re: Magician 20th Anniversary Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 11:30:36 -0700 From: Raymond Feist To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: Magician 20th Anniversary Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu On Thursday, July 19, 2001, at 10:09 AM, LaughingFrog wrote: > How about spevial editions of some of the other books.... now where > gonna > have 3 version of the same book... the normal, Authors Preferred > Edition, > and now 20th anniversary edition... :) > No special editions of anything planned, though someday I may take a crack at rewriting Prince of the Blood. Never liked that ending. Best, R.E.F. ---- Never attribute to malice what can satisfactorily be explained away by stupidity.  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Thu Jul 19 21:00:15 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 21:00:16 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15NJy3-0001mV-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 21:00:15 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id VAA18113; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 21:00:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA11632; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 15:53:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11623 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 15:53:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15722 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 15:53:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.174]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15672 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 15:53:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from modem-422.red-naped-sapsucker.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.209.166] helo=gibson0404) by cmailg4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 15NJrS-0004JU-00 for FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 20:53:26 +0100 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "Michael Gibson" To: Subject: RE: (OT) Words (was Re: Guy) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 20:53:14 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20010716092358.0268d030@mail.swindon.wrsec.fr> Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu From: "Michael Gibson" To: Subject: RE: (OT) Words (was Re: Guy) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 20:53:14 +0100 Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu > At 03:45 PM 7/13/01 -0500, James Young wrote: > > That is probably because people in the UK still have a grasp on > >the English Language. American pop culture (which is the guilty > >party for a lot of mispronunciations) coupled with poor initial > >education in English grammar generally doesn't do too much for the > >language as a whole. > > Actually, (are you sitting down) the UK school system at > this time does not feel that "English Grammar" as a subject > is something that needs to be taught, ie kids pick up on > it from their parents/friends/etc, so there is no need > to "waste" precious in-school time teaching it. I agree - having just been through the system, I see it is somewhat (and in my experience, almost totally) lacking. That then makes learning foreign languages_much_harder, in my opinion. > I will trade the US's 'poor initial' for the UK's 'total > and complete lack of'. In any case, my kids'll be going > to school in Germany, probably. > > The Shorter OED a) is affordable, and b) will include 99.99% > of the words you will need in your day-to-day life. In the > case of .your. active vocabulary, James, probably only 80% ;-> I went into our library the other day and saw the Shorter OED, and thought, "that's not very short". I'd certainly like it. Then I saw the full OED next it... I must congratulate the OED - it's the first dictionary I've found, listing "vorpal". Mike, Gibfish of the West. Check out my forums at: "If a problem appears simple, then it http://www.tonrae.co.uk/forums/ probably hasn't been thought through."  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Thu Jul 19 21:27:50 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 21:27:50 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15NKOj-0001zH-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 21:27:49 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id VAA19183; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 21:27:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA14469; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:24:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA14460 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:24:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09950 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:24:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.neb.rr.com (fe1.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.163.48]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09928 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:24:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from knightfall ([24.169.252.116]) by mail1.neb.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.537.53); Thu, 19 Jul 2001 15:24:27 -0500 X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "Sean Gilliam" To: "FEISTFANS-L" Subject: Magician Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 15:24:17 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** From: "Sean Gilliam" To: "FEISTFANS-L" Subject: Magician Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 15:24:17 -0500 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu I was wondering if there are any major differences in UK and US editions. I would really like to get a couple hard cover editions of Magician. I seem to keep wearing out my paper backs! Sean Gilliam I don't suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it!  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Thu Jul 19 21:56:53 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 21:56:53 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15NKqq-0002Cn-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 21:56:52 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id VAA19705; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 21:56:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA17178; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:49:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA17169 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:49:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29829 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:49:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.kcnet.com (mail2.kcnet.com [216.90.72.3]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA29802 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:49:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Debug (www.kcnet.com [216.90.72.5]) by mail2.kcnet.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id f6JKnI109631 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 15:49:18 -0500 Message-Id: <200107192049.f6JKnI109631@mail2.kcnet.com> X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu From: Darren McClung Subject: Re: e-books Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 20:49:17 GMT X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.0.33 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu From: Darren McClung Subject: Re: e-books Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 20:49:17 GMT Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu > He was arrested by the FBI at the airport on his way home, for > violations of the CDMA (supplying code that defeats copyright > protection). > > rip > I beleive you mean DMCA rip. (Digital Millennium Copyright Act) CDMA is a wireless phone protocol. :) Darren  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Thu Jul 19 22:23:36 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 22:23:36 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15NLGi-0002Q0-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 22:23:36 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id WAA20251; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 22:23:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA19479; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 17:19:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA19470 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 17:19:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25928 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 17:19:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dc-mxdb01.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mxdb01.cluster0.hsacorp.net [209.225.8.75]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA25917 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 17:19:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [24.240.211.136] (HELO ryan) by dc-mxdb01.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.7) with SMTP id 6995305 for FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 17:17:45 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01bed22c$4da1dcc0$88d3f018@westerncom.net> X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "Ryan Dragon" To: References: <200107191553.f6JFrb913982@smtp1.san.rr.com> Subject: Re: Magician 20th Anniversary Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 16:18:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** From: "Ryan Dragon" To: Subject: Re: Magician 20th Anniversary Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 16:18:51 -0500 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Is there going to be anything different, or another reprint? ryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond Feist" To: Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 10:52 AM Subject: Re: Magician 20th Anniversary > > On Wednesday, July 18, 2001, at 08:20 PM, Sean Gilliam wrote: > > > A while back there was some talk of a 20th anniversary edition of > > Magician. > > Is this still in the works? > > > > > > > > Yes. There will be a 20th Anniversary hardcover of the book in the UK. > We're still looking to see who might want to do it in the US. > > Best, R.E.F. > ---- > > Never attribute to malice what can satisfactorily be explained away by > stupidity. >  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Thu Jul 19 22:58:51 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 22:58:51 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15NLoo-0002ey-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 22:58:50 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id WAA22083; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 22:58:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA21586; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 17:56:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA21577 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 17:56:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27569 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 17:56:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta03.mail.mel.aone.net.au (mta03.mail.au.uu.net [203.2.192.83]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA27551 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 17:56:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([63.34.210.120]) by mta03.mail.mel.aone.net.au with ESMTP id <20010719215634.GGH23157.mta03.mail.mel.aone.net.au@[192.168.0.2]> for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 07:56:34 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: kenosti@pop.ozemail.com.au Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001901c1106a$6f93a790$cc0ea197@lhup.edu> References: <200107181840.f6IIef924798@smtp1.san.rr.com><004e01c1100b$eac5c9c0$20dcfea 9@ultraisp.com> <001901c1106a$6f93a790$cc0ea197@lhup.edu> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 07:55:22 +1000 X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu From: Anestis Kozakis Subject: Re: An intoduction. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 07:55:22 +1000 To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu From: Anestis Kozakis Subject: Re: An intoduction. Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu > > William Wrote : >> >> >Anyway my general question is: >> >Can we expect to see a kelewan focused or even partially kelewan set >novel >> >(like magician was) in the future? I know that its been said, in an old >FAQ, >> >that writing another book with Janny Wurts was unlikely, but does this >mean >> >Kelewan is a dead world literarily? Then Anestis worte : > > >> Ray has never said that writing another book with Janny was unlikely. >> >> He said that writing another Kelewan book (with or without Janny) was >> not going to happen. >> >> If Janny has time to work with Ray on another >> collaboration/co-authored novel, then we may see another Ray/Janny > > novel. >> > > All we need to know about Kelewan we saw in the "Empire" trilogy, and > > anything else we see will be snippets from the Midkemia point of view. And then William wrote : > >Well I was going from the Raymond E. Feist FAQ (An amiditedly out of date >document) that says: > >D.1. Q: Will Ray and Janny do any more books? > >D.1. A: Probably not. Ray said that while the process was fun it was very >tough for both authors. That's form the old version of the FAQ. >It does not mention anything about Kelewan not being written about anymore. >And the information you provided says just the opposite... So I am very >confused.... Don't be. Ray has expanded on this topic over the years, and what I have paraphrased has been from Ray has written either here on the mailing list or on the newsgroup in response to the questions about working with Janny or another Kelewan book, and also (IIRC) appears in the latest version of the FAQ (wherever that's ghosted these days - http;//www.crydee.com I believe). >Falerin Anestis. -- kenosti@labyrinth.net.au "A complete list of this film's associate producers is available upon request." -- In End Credits for "State and Main"  1, edited,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Thu Jul 19 23:21:57 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 23:21:57 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15NMBA-0002rW-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 23:21:56 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id XAA22676; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 23:21:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA22807; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 18:16:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA22798 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 18:16:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13061 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 18:16:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtppop3pub.verizon.net (smtppop3pub.gte.net [206.46.170.22]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA13048 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 18:16:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from JasonMartin (snjpca1-ar1-4-60-049-101.vz.dsl.gtei.net [4.60.49.101]) by smtppop3pub.verizon.net with SMTP for ; id RAA42688954 Thu, 19 Jul 2001 17:16:28 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000901c110a0$9888d2c0$65313c04@vz.dsl.genuity.net> X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "Jason Martin" To: References: Subject: Re: Magician Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 15:17:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** From: "Jason Martin" To: Subject: Re: Magician Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 15:17:26 -0700 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu I picked up the UK paperback edition of Magician on Ebay a year or so ago. I think I got it for $4.99 or so. What is nice is its all one edition vs two =) I would check with Ebay first and see what is there and some of you local book stores too. I was able to get a couple of Dune paperback UKeditions at a bookstore for about a dollar each. Jason "Mas Tequila!" Red Vodoo- Sammy Hagar ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Gilliam" To: "FEISTFANS-L" Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 1:24 PM Subject: Magician > I was wondering if there are any major differences in UK and US editions. I > would really like to get a couple hard cover editions of Magician. I seem to > keep wearing out my paper backs! > > > Sean Gilliam > I don't suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it! >  1, edited,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Fri Jul 20 00:42:12 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 00:42:12 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15NNQq-0003S6-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 00:42:12 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id AAA24253; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 00:42:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA26059; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 19:34:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA26050 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 19:34:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06030 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 19:34:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.san.rr.com (smtp1.san.rr.com [24.25.195.37]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA06016 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 19:34:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (24-165-28-33.san.rr.com [24.165.28.33]) by smtp1.san.rr.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6JNZQ903764 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:35:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107192335.f6JNZQ903764@smtp1.san.rr.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:34:32 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.388) X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: Raymond Feist To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v388) In-Reply-To: <000f01bed22c$4da1dcc0$88d3f018@westerncom.net> Subject: Re: Magician 20th Anniversary Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii *** EOOH *** Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 16:34:32 -0700 From: Raymond Feist To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: Magician 20th Anniversary Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu On Monday, July 19, 1999, at 02:18 PM, Ryan Dragon wrote: > Is there going to be anything different, or another reprint? > > ryan > I may write another foreword, but no more changes in the text. Best, R.E.F. ---- Never attribute to malice what can satisfactorily be explained away by stupidity.  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Fri Jul 20 01:42:38 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 01:42:38 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15NONJ-0003rI-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 01:42:37 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id BAA25253; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 01:42:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA28481; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 20:40:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA28472 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 20:40:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24126 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 20:40:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smarthost-2.mail.telinco.net (smarthost-2.mail.telinco.net [212.1.128.91]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA24099 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 20:40:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp-1-109.cvx4.telinco.net ([212.1.148.109] helo=m7i8e3) by smarthost-2.mail.telinco.net with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 15NOLN-0008Iz-00 for FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 01:40:37 +0100 Message-ID: <009501c110b4$ff9fb960$6d9401d4@m7i8e3> X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "Maria Parsonage" To: References: <200107191553.f6JFr0913847@smtp1.san.rr.com> Subject: Book tour Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 01:43:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** From: "Maria Parsonage" To: Subject: Book tour Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 01:43:28 +0100 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Well the amount of mail I got today has made up for the last few days of silence. Did everyone come back from holiday or something? Ray, will you be doing a promo tour when the 20th anniversary edition comes out? Maria  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Fri Jul 20 01:52:39 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 01:52:39 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15NOX1-0003yc-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 01:52:39 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id BAA25429; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 01:52:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA29220; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 20:49:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA29131 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 20:49:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29922 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 20:49:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA29896 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 20:49:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bloodaxe.demon.co.uk ([194.222.19.128]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15NOU6-000PML-0B for FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 00:49:38 +0000 Message-ID: <9Cj19OBq+3V7EwKb@bloodaxe.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 01:47:38 +0100 X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu From: Andrea J Chee Subject: Re: (OT) Words (was Re: Guy) References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010716092358.0268d030@mail.swindon.wrsec.fr> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 U <53FqO0TonWD1n3Vxbi7E3Jm7x8> Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 01:47:38 +0100 To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu From: Andrea J Chee Subject: Re: (OT) Words (was Re: Guy) Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu In article , Michael Gibson writes > >I went into our library the other day and saw the Shorter OED, and thought, >"that's not very short". I'd certainly like it. Then I saw the full OED next >it... I must congratulate the OED - it's the first dictionary I've found, >listing "vorpal". There is also a Compact Edition of the OED available, which is the full version micrographically printed in one volume and supplied with a magnifying glass for reading. It's not cheap, but a lot less than the normal full version. I hear it's a little heavy going because of the small print, but is an option for anyone who feels really driven to own the whole thing. - ANDREA -- Get PAID for the emails you already send and receive! http://www.mailround.com/ Referrer: andrea@bloodaxe.com ^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^ ANDROMEDA - Internet Goddess http://www.bloodaxe.com/ Bloodaxe's History Links: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/5055/ The Loony Bin Archive: http://loonies.net800.co.uk/  1, edited,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Fri Jul 20 02:11:51 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 02:11:51 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15NOpb-00048E-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 02:11:51 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id CAA25768; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 02:11:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA00985; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 21:06:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA00944 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 21:06:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA00545 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 21:06:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailin9.bigpond.com (juicer34.bigpond.com [139.134.6.86]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA00509 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 21:06:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from css01.css.com.au ([139.134.4.52]) by mailin9.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GGQZC700.21X for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 11:12:07 +1000 Received: from CPE-61-9-149-25.vic.bigpond.net.au ([61.9.149.25]) by mail5.bigpond.com(MailRouter V2.9g 9/10047374); 20 Jul 2001 11:06:09 Received: by css01.css.com.au with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 11:05:38 +1000 Message-ID: X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: Allan Mills To: "'FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu'" Subject: RE: (OT) Words (was Re: Guy) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 11:05:38 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** From: Allan Mills To: "'FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu'" Subject: RE: (OT) Words (was Re: Guy) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 11:05:38 +1000 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Gibson [mailto:gibfish@gibbyco.freeserve.co.uk] > Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 5:53 AM > To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu > Subject: RE: (OT) Words (was Re: Guy) > I went into our library the other day and saw the Shorter > OED, and thought, > "that's not very short". I'd certainly like it. Then I saw > the full OED next > it... I must congratulate the OED - it's the first > dictionary I've found, > listing "vorpal". > Funny thing about that, the other week at my work someone started up a game of hangman. I took me almost no time to work out his word was hangman. For my word I decided on Vorpal since it's fairly obscure. Not only did nobody get it but nobody had even heard of the word. Sad. Allan > Mike, > Gibfish of the West. > Check out my forums at: http://www.tonrae.co.uk/forums/ > "If a problem appears simple, then it probably hasn't been thought through."  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Fri Jul 20 02:57:47 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 02:57:47 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15NPY3-0004PF-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 02:57:47 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id CAA26453; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 02:57:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA03704; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 21:55:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA03695 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 21:55:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22052 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 21:55:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.san.rr.com (smtp1.san.rr.com [24.25.195.37]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA22029 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 21:55:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (24-165-28-33.san.rr.com [24.165.28.33]) by smtp1.san.rr.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6K1um929849 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 18:56:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107200156.f6K1um929849@smtp1.san.rr.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 18:55:53 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.388) X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: Raymond Feist To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v388) In-Reply-To: <009501c110b4$ff9fb960$6d9401d4@m7i8e3> Subject: Re: Book tour Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 18:55:53 -0700 From: Raymond Feist To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: Book tour Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu On Thursday, July 19, 2001, at 05:43 PM, Maria Parsonage wrote: > Well the amount of mail I got today has made up for the last few days of > silence. Did everyone come back from holiday or something? > > Ray, will you be doing a promo tour when the 20th anniversary edition > comes > out? > > Maria > > Most likely. It's going to come out at the same time as Talon so I think Harper will be touring me overseas, and I expect Avon will in the US. Best, R.E.F. ---- Never attribute to malice what can satisfactorily be explained away by stupidity.  1, edited,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Fri Jul 20 03:14:18 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 03:14:18 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15NPo2-0004X4-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 03:14:18 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id DAA26784; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 03:14:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA05048; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 22:12:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05039 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 22:12:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20226 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 22:12:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from femail7.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail7.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.87]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA20208 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 22:12:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cx287235b ([24.183.201.82]) by femail7.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010720021230.SRQZ19826.femail7.sdc1.sfba.home.com@cx287235b> for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 19:12:30 -0700 Message-ID: <003001c110c1$79f27570$52c9b718@agundar.net> X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "Chad Keffer" To: References: <200107200156.f6K1um929849@smtp1.san.rr.com> Subject: Re: Book tour Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 21:12:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** From: "Chad Keffer" To: Subject: Re: Book tour Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 21:12:50 -0500 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Ray, Well if that doesn't pan out, then we can all take up a collection and buy you a bus ticket to some mutually agreeable location. - Chad ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Raymond Feist" >To: >Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 8:55 PM >Subject: Re: Book tour > > > >On Thursday, July 19, 2001, at 05:43 PM, Maria Parsonage wrote: > >> Well the amount of mail I got today has made up for the last few days of >> silence. Did everyone come back from holiday or something? >> >> Ray, will you be doing a promo tour when the 20th anniversary edition >> comes >> out? >> >> Maria >> >> > > >Most likely. It's going to come out at the same time as Talon so I >think Harper will be touring me overseas, and I expect Avon will in >the >US. > >Best, R.E.F. >---- > >Never attribute to malice what can satisfactorily be explained away by >stupidity. >  1, edited,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Fri Jul 20 03:14:19 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 03:14:19 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15NPo3-0004X7-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 03:14:19 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id DAA26788; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 03:14:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA04929; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 22:10:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA04920 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 22:10:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18281 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 22:10:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from falcon.lhup.edu (falcon.lhup.edu [151.161.11.6]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA18038 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 22:09:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from farpoint (client-141-151-103-201.ultraisp.com [141.151.103.201]) by falcon.lhup.edu (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/8.7) with SMTP id WAA43632 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2001 22:09:42 -0400 Message-ID: <003f01c110c0$815b63e0$ed34fea9@ultraisp.com> X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "Falerin" To: References: <200107181840.f6IIef924798@smtp1.san.rr.com><004e01c1100b$eac5c9c0$20dcfea 9@ultraisp.com> <001901c1106a$6f93a790$cc0ea197@lhup.edu> Subject: Re: An intoduction. Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 22:05:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** From: "Falerin" To: Subject: Re: An intoduction. Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 22:05:51 -0400 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Well Thank you very much.. and Ray answered me pretty much the same way... I love having the primary source to ask... Fal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anestis Kozakis" To: Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 5:55 PM Subject: Re: An intoduction. > > > William Wrote : > >> > >> >Anyway my general question is: > >> >Can we expect to see a kelewan focused or even partially kelewan set > >novel > >> >(like magician was) in the future? I know that its been said, in an old > >FAQ, > >> >that writing another book with Janny Wurts was unlikely, but does this > >mean > >> >Kelewan is a dead world literarily? > > Then Anestis worte : > > > > > >> Ray has never said that writing another book with Janny was unlikely. > >> > >> He said that writing another Kelewan book (with or without Janny) was > >> not going to happen. > >> > >> If Janny has time to work with Ray on another > >> collaboration/co-authored novel, then we may see another Ray/Janny > > > novel. > >> > > > All we need to know about Kelewan we saw in the "Empire" trilogy, and > > > anything else we see will be snippets from the Midkemia point of view. > > And then William wrote : > > > > >Well I was going from the Raymond E. Feist FAQ (An amiditedly out of date > >document) that says: > > > >D.1. Q: Will Ray and Janny do any more books? > > > >D.1. A: Probably not. Ray said that while the process was fun it was very > >tough for both authors. > > That's form the old version of the FAQ. > > >It does not mention anything about Kelewan not being written about anymore. > >And the information you provided says just the opposite... So I am very > >confused.... > > Don't be. Ray has expanded on this topic over the years, and what I > have paraphrased has been from Ray has written either here on the > mailing list or on the newsgroup in response to the questions about > working with Janny or another Kelewan book, and also (IIRC) appears > in the latest version of the FAQ (wherever that's ghosted these days > - http;//www.crydee.com I believe). > > >Falerin > > Anestis. > -- > kenosti@labyrinth.net.au > "A complete list of this film's associate producers > is available upon request." > -- In End Credits for "State and Main" > >  1, edited,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Fri Jul 20 07:29:05 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 07:29:05 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15NTma-0001xT-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 07:29:04 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id HAA00824; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 07:29:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA15816; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 02:24:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA15807 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 02:24:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA03338 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 02:23:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls20.mediaone.net (chmls20.mediaone.net [24.147.1.156]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA03320 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 02:23:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alladin (eldritch.ne.mediaone.net [24.128.55.81]) by chmls20.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f6K6Nwc15683 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 02:23:58 -0400 (EDT) X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "Philip A. Culver" To: Subject: RE: e-books Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 02:22:42 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200107191553.f6JFr0913847@smtp1.san.rr.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** From: "Philip A. Culver" To: Subject: RE: e-books Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 02:22:42 -0400 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu The link worked for me. http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/lv-crime/2001/jul/18/512096646.htm l Just make sure you get everything into your browser. I had to compare the link in the email to what I got when I clicked on it and add in the extra l. Phil -----Original Message----- >From: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu >[mailto:owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu]On Behalf Of Raymond Feist >Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 11:52 AM >To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu >Subject: Re: e-books > > > >On Wednesday, July 18, 2001, at 11:34 PM, Alan Mills wrote: > >> Anyone got any comments on this : >> http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/lv- >> crime/2001/jul/18/512096646.htm >> l >> >> >> Allan >> >> > >That link is dead, Allan. What was the story about? > >Best, R.E.F. >---- > >Never attribute to malice what can satisfactorily be explained away by >stupidity. >  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Fri Jul 20 08:50:58 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 08:50:58 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15NV3q-0002dG-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 08:50:58 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id IAA02314; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 08:50:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA18281; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 03:45:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA18235 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 03:44:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA25595 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 03:44:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.wrs.com (unknown-1-11.windriver.com [147.11.1.11]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA25586 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 03:44:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.swindon.wrsec.fr (mail.swindon.wrsec.fr [147.11.90.31]) by mail.wrs.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA19453 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 00:44:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ripple.windriver.com (ripple.swindon.wrsec.fr [147.11.90.27]) by mail.swindon.wrsec.fr (8.11.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f6K7isP23138 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 08:44:54 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010720084316.0268f910@mail.swindon.wrsec.fr> X-Sender: rip@mail.swindon.wrsec.fr X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 08:46:18 +0100 X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu From: Richard Williamson Subject: Re: e-books In-Reply-To: <200107192049.f6JKnI109631@mail2.kcnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 08:46:18 +0100 To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu From: Richard Williamson Subject: Re: e-books Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu At 08:49 PM 7/19/01 +0000, Darren McClung wrote: >> He was arrested by the FBI at the airport on his way home, for >> violations of the CDMA (supplying code that defeats copyright >> protection). >> >> rip >> > >I beleive you mean DMCA rip. (Digital Millennium Copyright Act) >CDMA is a wireless phone protocol. :) > >Darren Yeah, that's the one. My brain says, "Yes, that is -a- valid acroynym" but doesn't get around to saying, "hopefully it is the one I mean" until after I send the email. rip  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Fri Jul 20 08:53:12 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 08:53:12 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15NV60-0002e7-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 08:53:12 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id IAA02331; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 08:53:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA18717; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 03:51:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA18708 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 03:51:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA29539 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 03:51:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.wrs.com (unknown-1-11.windriver.com [147.11.1.11]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA29529 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 03:51:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.swindon.wrsec.fr (mail.swindon.wrsec.fr [147.11.90.31]) by mail.wrs.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA21289 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 00:51:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ripple.windriver.com (ripple.swindon.wrsec.fr [147.11.90.27]) by mail.swindon.wrsec.fr (8.11.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f6K7pPP23315 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 08:51:25 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010720084814.0265bce0@mail.swindon.wrsec.fr> X-Sender: rip@mail.swindon.wrsec.fr X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 08:52:50 +0100 X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu From: Richard Williamson Subject: RE: (OT) Words (was Re: Guy) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 08:52:50 +0100 To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu From: Richard Williamson Subject: RE: (OT) Words (was Re: Guy) Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu At 11:05 AM 7/20/01 +1000, Allan Mills wrote: > Funny thing about that, the other week at my work someone started up a game >of hangman. I took me almost no time to work out his word was hangman. For >my word I decided on Vorpal since it's fairly obscure. Not only did nobody >get it but nobody had even heard of the word. Sad. One question, did they give a definition that included a reference OTHER than: 'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves Did gyre and gimble in the wabe; All mimsy were the borogoves, And the mome raths outgrabe. ... He took his vorpal sword in hand: Long time the manxome foe he sought-- http://www76.pair.com/keithlim/jabberwocky/poem/jabberwocky.html rip  1, edited,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Fri Jul 20 15:58:14 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 15:58:14 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15NbjK-0007h6-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 15:58:14 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id PAA14953; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 15:58:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA01883; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:54:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA01862 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:54:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20191 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:54:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fsmail.net (mail.fsmail.net [216.200.119.37]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA20136 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 10:54:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 24163 invoked by uid 1120); 20 Jul 2001 14:54:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20010720145413.24161.qmail@fsmail.net> X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: Michael Gibson Subject: Re: (OT) Words (was Re: Guy) To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 15:54:12 +0100 (GMT+01:00) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** From: Michael Gibson Subject: Re: (OT) Words (was Re: Guy) To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 15:54:12 +0100 (GMT+01:00) Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu > One question, did they give a definition that included > a reference OTHER than: Yup - it said "... a word invented by Lewis Carroll, meaning..." I forget exactly what, but it meant hungry I think. IIRC, he derived from something similar to voracious. Mike _______________________________________________________________________ FSmail - Get your free web-based email from Freeserve: www.fsmail.net  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Fri Jul 20 18:48:41 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 18:48:41 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15NeOH-0001Y2-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 18:48:41 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id SAA19751; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 18:48:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA09599; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:47:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA09505 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:47:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15636 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:47:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sgi04-e.std.com (sgi04-e.std.com [199.172.62.134]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA15576 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:47:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from world.std.com (world-f.std.com [199.172.62.5]) by sgi04-e.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14614681 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:46:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mgarson@localhost) by world.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19208; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:46:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: world.std.com: mgarson set sender to mgarson@TheWorld.com using -f X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: Matt Garson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15192.28300.548929.1726@world.std.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:46:52 -0400 (EDT) To: feistfans-l@cornell.edu Subject: OT: Publishing X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under Emacs 20.5.2 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** X-Authentication-Warning: world.std.com: mgarson set sender to mgarson@TheWorld.com using -f From: Matt Garson Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:46:52 -0400 (EDT) To: feistfans-l@cornell.edu Subject: OT: Publishing Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Hi Ray, It's been quite a while since I've participated on the list, but I had two questions. I was curious whether you think it would be more or less difficult to be an unpublished author and get a sci-fi/fantasy book like "Magician" published today than it was 2 decades ago? It sounds like you've been busy writing, but have you had a chance to see any of the summer movies and, if you have, did you think there were any that were notable? (In particular, I'm wondering what you thought of A.I., assuming you've seen it.) Thanks, -Matt P.S. I sent this two days ago, but as far as I can tell it never reached the list. If it did and this is the second copy, I apologize for making all of you suffer.  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Fri Jul 20 20:40:14 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 20:40:15 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15Ng8E-0002TO-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 20:40:14 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id UAA22004; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 20:40:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA14509; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 15:21:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA14500 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 15:20:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23665 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 15:20:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow025o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.125]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23631 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 15:20:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cableinet.co.uk ([213.48.42.119]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Fri, 20 Jul 2001 20:20:54 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 20:19:32 +0100 X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu From: John Subject: Email, and OLD List messages MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-Beta-5-U () Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 20:19:32 +0100 To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu From: John Subject: Email, and OLD List messages User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-Beta-5-U () Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu If anyone needs to contact me it looks like I have fixed most of the damage during the crash. Though some recent emails may have been lost. If you have sent me updates for the Member listing or others in the last week, and it is not already on my site please assume the email was lost, and re-send If there is anyone using Turnpike who would be able to export as text and zip all list messages since November 2000, I would be interested to receive them by email (machine online 24/7) Please email me first though I don't need 100 copies of the list :) Now to try and sort out the rest of the problems -- John john@crydee.com Books to read, and shelves to fill, http://www.crydee.com/ Ray's great books, just fit the bill. Raymond E Feist Ring http://www.crydee.com/refwebring/ringindex.htm  1, edited,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Fri Jul 20 21:22:43 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 21:22:44 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15NgnL-0002oa-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 21:22:43 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id VAA23177; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 21:22:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA18187; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 16:21:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18178 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 16:21:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15367 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 16:21:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.san.rr.com (smtp1.san.rr.com [24.25.195.37]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA15341 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 16:20:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (24-165-28-33.san.rr.com [24.165.28.33]) by smtp1.san.rr.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6KKLv921874 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:21:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107202021.f6KKLv921874@smtp1.san.rr.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:21:03 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.388) X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: Raymond Feist To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v388) In-Reply-To: <15192.28300.548929.1726@world.std.com> Subject: Re: OT: Publishing Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii *** EOOH *** Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:21:03 -0700 From: Raymond Feist To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: OT: Publishing Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu On Friday, July 20, 2001, at 10:46 AM, Matt Garson wrote: > Hi Ray, > > It's been quite a while since I've participated on the list, but I had > two questions. Hi, Matt. > > I was curious whether you think it would be more or less difficult to > be an unpublished author and get a sci-fi/fantasy book like "Magician" > published today than it was 2 decades ago? Tougher. Today it would be a paperback original and probably cut up into two or three volumes with no major push. > > It sounds like you've been busy writing, but have you had a chance to > see any of the summer movies and, if you have, did you think there > were any that were notable? (In particular, I'm wondering what you > thought of A.I., assuming you've seen it.) > Just saw Jurassic Park 3 yesterday. They took portions of the original novel to build this movie, and while the FX are nice, with some of the best CGI coupled with Stan Winston's models so far, it just didn't measure up storywise to the first two. Loved Final Fantasy. Brilliantly done, both as story and as animation. That's about all so far. My kids are with me all next week, so I expect I'll take them to see Cats and Dogs. Best,R.E.F. ---- Never attribute to malice what can satisfactorily be explained away by stupidity.  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Fri Jul 20 21:35:12 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 21:35:12 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15NgzP-0002th-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 21:35:11 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id VAA23460; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 21:35:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA19061; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 16:33:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA19052 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 16:33:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02522 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 16:33:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web13903.mail.yahoo.com (web13903.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.29]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA02488 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 16:33:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010720203319.511.qmail@web13903.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [134.134.248.26] by web13903.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:33:19 PDT Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:33:19 -0700 (PDT) X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: Ben Metzler Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: OT: Writers Insurance To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu In-Reply-To: <200107202021.f6KKLv921874@smtp1.san.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 13:33:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Ben Metzler Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: OT: Writers Insurance To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Mr. Feist, I wanted to see if you would be able to answer a question that's been bugging me for some time. Is there a "Writer's Insurance" plan? In otherwords, my company supplies me with healther insurance, is there an equivalant that a writers publisher would furnish? Thanks, Ben ===== Teamwork: A lot of people doing what I say! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sat Jul 21 01:45:14 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 01:45:14 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15NktN-0004ha-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 01:45:13 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id BAA28103; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 01:45:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA26573; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 20:41:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA26560 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 20:40:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26175 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 20:40:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f146.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.146]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA26160 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 20:40:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 17:40:59 -0700 Received: from 195.249.152.199 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 00:40:58 GMT X-Originating-IP: [195.249.152.199] X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "David Christensen" To: feistfans-l@cornell.edu Subject: Moredhel Clerics? Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 00:40:58 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2001 00:40:59.0101 (UTC) FILETIME=[CF6288D0:01C1117D] Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** X-Originating-IP: [195.249.152.199] From: "David Christensen" To: feistfans-l@cornell.edu Subject: Moredhel Clerics? Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 00:40:58 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2001 00:40:59.0101 (UTC) FILETIME=[CF6288D0:01C1117D] Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu I would suppose the idea to be preposterous, as moredhel do not worship any deities (or do they?). But where would they go to for magical healing, perhaps they have their own kind of Spellweavers? Those did a good job of patching up Pug, as I recall, when his fireball aimed at the serpentqueen's ship backfired on him. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp  1, edited,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sat Jul 21 03:09:57 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 03:09:57 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15NmDM-0005KO-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 03:09:56 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id DAA29128; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 03:09:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA29489; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 22:05:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29469 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 22:04:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25529 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 22:04:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from falcon.lhup.edu (falcon.lhup.edu [151.161.11.6]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA25522 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 22:04:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from client-141-151-103-53.ultraisp.com (client-141-151-103-53.ultraisp.com [141.151.103.53]) by falcon.lhup.edu (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/8.7) with ESMTP id WAA80930 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 22:04:40 -0400 Message-Id: <200107210204.WAA80930@falcon.lhup.edu> Subject: Re: Moredhel Clerics? X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: Falerin Ardendor To: feistfans-l@cornell.edu In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: Evolution 0.5.1 (Developer Preview) Date: 21 Jul 2001 04:03:05 +0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** Subject: Re: Moredhel Clerics? From: Falerin Ardendor To: feistfans-l@cornell.edu Date: 21 Jul 2001 04:03:05 +0500 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu On Friday 20 July 2001 20:40, you wrote: > I would suppose the idea to be preposterous, as moredhel do not worship any > deities (or do they?). But where would they go to for magical healing, > perhaps they have their own kind of Spellweavers? Those did a good job of > patching up Pug, as I recall, when his fireball aimed at the serpentqueen's > ship backfired on him. Having just read Krondor: The Betrayal the impression I got is that this is pretty accurate...they do not have spellweavers per se. according to Gorath but they do have magicians and given their tribal culture probably they are fairly shamantic and that tends to cover healing. Thats the impression I have of them anyway... but I am sure Ray has a better answer... Fal  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sat Jul 21 04:12:52 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 04:12:52 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15NnCG-0005mO-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 04:12:52 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id EAA00251; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 04:12:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA01689; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 23:10:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA01680 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 23:10:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20256 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 23:10:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.san.rr.com (smtp1.san.rr.com [24.25.195.37]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA20244 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 23:10:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (24-165-28-33.san.rr.com [24.165.28.33]) by smtp1.san.rr.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6L3BW908244 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2001 20:11:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107210311.f6L3BW908244@smtp1.san.rr.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 20:10:39 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.388) X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: Raymond Feist To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v388) In-Reply-To: <20010720203319.511.qmail@web13903.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: OT: Writers Insurance Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 20:10:39 -0700 From: Raymond Feist To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: OT: Writers Insurance Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu On Friday, July 20, 2001, at 01:33 PM, Ben Metzler wrote: > Mr. Feist, > I wanted to see if you would be able to answer a question that's been > bugging me for > some time. Is there a "Writer's Insurance" plan? In otherwords, my > company > supplies me with healther insurance, is there an equivalant that a > writers publisher > would furnish? > > No. Writers are self-employed, so any insurance I have I have purchased myself. Most writers have significant others, many of whom work and the writer is covered under his/her wife/husband's insurance plan. Best, R.E.F. ---- Never attribute to malice what can satisfactorily be explained away by stupidity.  1, edited,, X-Coding-System: iso-latin-1-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sat Jul 21 10:37:16 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 10:37:16 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15NtCG-0000l0-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 10:37:16 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id KAA04638; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 10:37:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA12466; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 05:34:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA12457 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 05:34:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA12596 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 05:34:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from avalon.netcom.net.uk (avalon.netcom.net.uk [194.42.225.7]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA12576 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 05:34:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dialup-12-42.netcomuk.co.uk ([194.42.231.42] helo=coarh) by avalon.netcom.net.uk with smtp (Exim 3.20 #3) id 15Nt9v-0006UK-00 for FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 10:34:51 +0100 Message-ID: <002e01c111c8$9000afa0$2ae72ac2@coarh> X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "Aaron Howey" To: References: <200107210311.f6L3BW908244@smtp1.san.rr.com> Subject: Wiñet Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 10:36:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by m1.cs.man.ac.uk id KAA04638 *** EOOH *** From: "Aaron Howey" To: Subject: Wiñet Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 10:36:03 +0100 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu I was just re-reading Magician and noticed that there was another continent in Midkemia, Wiñet. I was wondering if this contitnent was ever going to appear in any forthcoming novels?  1, edited,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sun Jul 22 05:50:02 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 05:50:02 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15OBBq-0000dg-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 05:50:02 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id FAA20058; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 05:50:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA09266; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 00:47:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA09257 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 00:47:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA14685 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 00:47:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yowie.cc.uq.edu.au (yowie.cc.uq.edu.au [130.102.2.2]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA14663 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 00:47:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from student.uq.edu.au (s356179@student.uq.edu.au [130.102.87.136]) by yowie.cc.uq.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12065 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 14:47:28 +1000 (GMT+1000) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 14:47:28 +1000 (GMT+1000) X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: Darragh Murray To: Subject: Re: Moredhel Clerics? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 14:47:28 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: Darragh Murray To: Subject: Re: Moredhel Clerics? Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu > I would suppose the idea to be preposterous, as moredhel do not worship any > deities (or do they?). But where would they go to for magical healing, > perhaps they have their own kind of Spellweavers? Those did a good job of > patching up Pug, as I recall, when his fireball aimed at the serpentqueen's > ship backfired on him. Hope I'm reading your emal right, but wasn't it Pantathians that set up the whole "magic backfiring" thing that injured Pug? From what I can glean, moredhel have spellweavers, however not in the number n the numbers that the Eledhel, since moredhel are more a "warrior" society. Thanks Darragh -=-= www.iamtheporkfireman.com [Email]: s356179@student.uq.edu.au [ICQ]: 114283262  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sun Jul 22 05:50:26 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 05:50:26 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15OBCE-0000dw-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 05:50:26 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id FAA20067; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 05:50:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA09283; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 00:48:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA09268 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 00:48:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA15118 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 00:48:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yowie.cc.uq.edu.au (yowie.cc.uq.edu.au [130.102.2.2]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA15095 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 00:48:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from student.uq.edu.au (s356179@student.uq.edu.au [130.102.87.136]) by yowie.cc.uq.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA21339 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 14:48:24 +1000 (GMT+1000) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 14:48:24 +1000 (GMT+1000) X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: Darragh Murray To: Subject: Re: Moredhel Clerics? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 14:48:24 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: Darragh Murray To: Subject: Re: Moredhel Clerics? Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu > I would suppose the idea to be preposterous, as moredhel do not worship any > deities (or do they?). But where would they go to for magical healing, > perhaps they have their own kind of Spellweavers? Those did a good job of > patching up Pug, as I recall, when his fireball aimed at the serpentqueen's > ship backfired on him. Sorry, secondly. The moredhel seem to worship the valheru, or more specific, worship the places of valheru power (such as Moraelin). Thanks Darragh -=-= www.iamtheporkfireman.com [Email]: s356179@student.uq.edu.au [ICQ]: 114283262  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sun Jul 22 07:10:42 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 07:10:42 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15OCRu-0001AW-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 07:10:42 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id HAA20772; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 07:10:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA12268; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 02:09:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA12242 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 02:09:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA11889 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 02:09:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.san.rr.com (smtp3.san.rr.com [24.25.195.40]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA11881 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 02:09:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (24-165-28-33.san.rr.com [24.165.28.33]) by smtp3.san.rr.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6M6A9a13641 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 23:10:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107220610.f6M6A9a13641@smtp3.san.rr.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 23:09:10 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.388) X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: Raymond Feist To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v388) In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Moredhel Clerics? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 23:09:10 -0700 From: Raymond Feist To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: Moredhel Clerics? Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu On Saturday, July 21, 2001, at 09:47 PM, Darragh Murray wrote: > >> I would suppose the idea to be preposterous, as moredhel do not >> worship any >> deities (or do they?). But where would they go to for magical healing, >> perhaps they have their own kind of Spellweavers? Those did a good job >> of >> patching up Pug, as I recall, when his fireball aimed at the >> serpentqueen's >> ship backfired on him. > > > Hope I'm reading your emal right, but wasn't it Pantathians that set up > the whole "magic backfiring" thing that injured Pug? > > From what I can glean, moredhel have spellweavers, however not in the > number n the numbers that the Eledhel, since moredhel are more a > "warrior" > society. > > ---- Never attribute to malice what can satisfactorily be explained away by stupidity.  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sun Jul 22 07:11:18 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 07:11:18 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15OCSU-0001Ah-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 07:11:18 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id HAA20776; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 07:11:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA12285; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 02:09:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA12276 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 02:09:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA22280 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 02:09:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.san.rr.com (smtp3.san.rr.com [24.25.195.40]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA22257 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 02:09:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (24-165-28-33.san.rr.com [24.165.28.33]) by smtp3.san.rr.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6M6Apa13719 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 23:10:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107220610.f6M6Apa13719@smtp3.san.rr.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 23:09:52 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.388) X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: Raymond Feist To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v388) In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Moredhel Clerics? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 23:09:52 -0700 From: Raymond Feist To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: Moredhel Clerics? Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu On Saturday, July 21, 2001, at 09:47 PM, Darragh Murray wrote: > >> I would suppose the idea to be preposterous, as moredhel do not >> worship any >> deities (or do they?). But where would they go to for magical healing, >> perhaps they have their own kind of Spellweavers? Those did a good job >> of >> patching up Pug, as I recall, when his fireball aimed at the >> serpentqueen's >> ship backfired on him. > > > Hope I'm reading your emal right, but wasn't it Pantathians that set up > the whole "magic backfiring" thing that injured Pug? > > From what I can glean, moredhel have spellweavers, however not in the > number n the numbers that the Eledhel, since moredhel are more a > "warrior" > society. > Sorry about the partial I just sent. Moredhel don't have Spellweavers. They do have magic users, however. More akin to human Lesser Path magicians than anything else. Best, R.E.F. ---- Never attribute to malice what can satisfactorily be explained away by stupidity.  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sun Jul 22 07:12:03 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 07:12:03 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15OCTC-0001As-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 07:12:02 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id HAA20784; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 07:12:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA12481; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 02:10:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA12391 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 02:10:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA12261 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 02:10:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.san.rr.com (smtp3.san.rr.com [24.25.195.40]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA12253 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 02:10:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (24-165-28-33.san.rr.com [24.165.28.33]) by smtp3.san.rr.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6M6BOa13773 for ; Sat, 21 Jul 2001 23:11:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107220611.f6M6BOa13773@smtp3.san.rr.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 23:10:26 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.388) X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: Raymond Feist To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v388) In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Moredhel Clerics? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 23:10:26 -0700 From: Raymond Feist To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: Moredhel Clerics? Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu On Saturday, July 21, 2001, at 09:48 PM, Darragh Murray wrote: >> I would suppose the idea to be preposterous, as moredhel do not >> worship any >> deities (or do they?). But where would they go to for magical healing, >> perhaps they have their own kind of Spellweavers? Those did a good job >> of >> patching up Pug, as I recall, when his fireball aimed at the >> serpentqueen's >> ship backfired on him. > > Sorry, secondly. > > The moredhel seem to worship the valheru, or more specific, worship the > places of valheru power (such as Moraelin). > > They don't worship the valheru. They have a nature worship akin to elves and a veneration for ancestors. Best, R.E.F. ---- Never attribute to malice what can satisfactorily be explained away by stupidity.  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sun Jul 22 12:36:48 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 12:36:48 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15OHXU-00037D-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 12:36:48 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id MAA24294; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 12:36:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA22157; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 07:34:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA22146 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 07:33:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA21497 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 07:33:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f80.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.80]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA21493 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 07:33:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 04:33:45 -0700 Received: from 195.215.229.17 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 11:33:45 GMT X-Originating-IP: [195.215.229.17] X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "David Christensen" To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: Moredhel Clerics? Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 11:33:45 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jul 2001 11:33:45.0320 (UTC) FILETIME=[2AAF0680:01C112A2] Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** X-Originating-IP: [195.215.229.17] From: "David Christensen" To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: Moredhel Clerics? Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 11:33:45 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jul 2001 11:33:45.0320 (UTC) FILETIME=[2AAF0680:01C112A2] Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu How would the moredhel's view on the gods be, though? I would reckon they'd be pretty much pissed off that they overthrew the Valheru during the Chaos Wars, or maybe even glad that they did because it freed them from enslavement? The latter still opens a way for moredhel to have clerics among them, in a way. I knew that the dark elves had lesser path magicians among them, but do they heal? And what are spellweavers, greater path magicians or what? >From: Raymond Feist >Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu >To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu >Subject: Re: Moredhel Clerics? >Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 23:10:26 -0700 > > >On Saturday, July 21, 2001, at 09:48 PM, Darragh Murray wrote: > >>>I would suppose the idea to be preposterous, as moredhel do not >>>worship any >>>deities (or do they?). But where would they go to for magical healing, >>>perhaps they have their own kind of Spellweavers? Those did a good job >>>of >>>patching up Pug, as I recall, when his fireball aimed at the >>>serpentqueen's >>>ship backfired on him. >> >>Sorry, secondly. >> >>The moredhel seem to worship the valheru, or more specific, worship the >>places of valheru power (such as Moraelin). >> >> > >They don't worship the valheru. They have a nature worship akin to >elves and a veneration for ancestors. > >Best, R.E.F. >---- > >Never attribute to malice what can satisfactorily be explained away by >stupidity. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp  1, edited,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sun Jul 22 15:33:49 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 15:33:49 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15OKIm-0004HG-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 15:33:48 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id PAA26274; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 15:33:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA26294; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 10:27:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA26285 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 10:27:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA06671 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 10:27:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.san.rr.com (smtp3.san.rr.com [24.25.195.40]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA06659 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 10:27:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (24-165-28-33.san.rr.com [24.165.28.33]) by smtp3.san.rr.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6MESDa26521 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 07:28:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107221428.f6MESDa26521@smtp3.san.rr.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 07:27:16 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.388) X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: Raymond Feist To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v388) In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Moredhel Clerics? Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii *** EOOH *** Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 07:27:16 -0700 From: Raymond Feist To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: Moredhel Clerics? Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu On Sunday, July 22, 2001, at 11:33 AM, David Christensen wrote: > > How would the moredhel's view on the gods be, though? I would reckon > they'd be pretty much pissed off that they overthrew the Valheru during > the Chaos Wars, or maybe even glad that they did because it freed them > from enslavement? The latter still opens a way for moredhel to have > clerics among them, in a way. Actually, they have no issues with the Chaos Wars. Any more that you and I gives a hoot the Norman's overthrew the Saxsons a thousand years ago. They consider the gods forces of nature and don't "get" worship. They think of nature as being larger than the gods. So, indirectly, it might be said they worship the Controller Gods. But they have no temples, and they have no clerics. > > I knew that the dark elves had lesser path magicians among them, but do > they heal? And what are spellweavers, greater path magicians or what? > >> They have "healers" but their more in the real of the kind of healing a lesser path can do with herbs and natural magic. No "laying on hands and 'zap' your wounds are healed," stuff. Best, R.E.F. ---- Never attribute to malice what can satisfactorily be explained away by stupidity.  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sun Jul 22 23:52:58 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 23:52:58 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15OS5p-0007bT-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 23:52:57 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id XAA04242; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 23:52:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA09477; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 18:49:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09468 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 18:49:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27654 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 18:49:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailin6.bigpond.com (juicer03.bigpond.com [139.134.6.79]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA27640 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 18:49:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from css01.css.com.au ([139.134.4.54]) by mailin6.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GGWD0L00.DFD for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 08:55:33 +1000 Received: from CPE-61-9-149-25.vic.bigpond.net.au ([61.9.149.25]) by mail6.bigpond.com(MailRouter V2.9g 11/11383310); 23 Jul 2001 08:50:17 Received: by css01.css.com.au with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 08:49:03 +1000 Message-ID: X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: Allan Mills To: "'FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu'" Subject: RE: (OT) Words (was Re: Guy) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 08:49:02 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** From: Allan Mills To: "'FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu'" Subject: RE: (OT) Words (was Re: Guy) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 08:49:02 +1000 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu The only other places I've seen the term Vorpal used is in AD&D and Nethack. In both versions a Vorpal blade has a chance of beheading any monster it hits = instant death, provided of course the monster has a head and will die if it is chopped off. In Nethack it will also instantly kill any Jabberwockys that you attack with it. Allan > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Gibson [mailto:gibfish@gibbyco.freeserve.co.uk] > Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 12:54 AM > To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu > Subject: Re: (OT) Words (was Re: Guy) > > > > One question, did they give a definition that included > > a reference OTHER than: > > > > Yup - it said "... a word invented by Lewis Carroll, > meaning..." I forget exactly what, but it meant hungry I > think. IIRC, he derived from something similar to voracious. > > Mike > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > _________ > FSmail - Get your free web-based email from Freeserve: www.fsmail.net > > > >  1, edited,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Mon Jul 23 04:51:53 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 04:51:53 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15OWl7-0001fQ-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 04:51:53 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id EAA07714; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 04:51:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA17678; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 23:50:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA17669 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 23:50:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21577 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 23:49:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA21569 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 23:49:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (sdn-ar-001albirmP206.dialsprint.net [158.252.66.118]) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA28835 for ; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 20:49:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000701c1132a$5f6cbb00$7642fc9e@oemcomputer> X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "James Young" To: References: Subject: Re: (OT) Words (was Re: Guy) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 22:48:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** From: "James Young" To: Subject: Re: (OT) Words (was Re: Guy) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 22:48:40 -0500 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Both of those references taken DIRECTLY from the poem. > The only other places I've seen the term Vorpal used is in AD&D and > Nethack. In both versions a Vorpal blade has a chance of beheading any > monster it hits = instant death, provided of course the monster has a head > and will die if it is chopped off. In Nethack it will also instantly kill > any Jabberwockys that you attack with it. > > Allan > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Michael Gibson [mailto:gibfish@gibbyco.freeserve.co.uk] > > Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 12:54 AM > > To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu > > Subject: Re: (OT) Words (was Re: Guy) > > > > > > > One question, did they give a definition that included > > > a reference OTHER than: > > > > > > > > Yup - it said "... a word invented by Lewis Carroll, > > meaning..." I forget exactly what, but it meant hungry I > > think. IIRC, he derived from something similar to voracious. > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > _________ > > FSmail - Get your free web-based email from Freeserve: www.fsmail.net > > > > > > > > >  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Mon Jul 23 12:12:08 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 12:12:08 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15Odd9-0006R4-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 12:12:07 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id MAA16872; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 12:12:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA29747; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 07:08:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA29738 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 07:08:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA08512 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 07:08:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f90.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.19.90]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA08499 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 07:08:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 04:08:22 -0700 Received: from 24.77.180.94 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 11:08:21 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.77.180.94] X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "K. Griffith" To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Virus Alert Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 04:08:21 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2001 11:08:22.0184 (UTC) FILETIME=[C93CAA80:01C11367] Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** X-Originating-IP: [24.77.180.94] From: "K. Griffith" To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Virus Alert Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 04:08:21 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jul 2001 11:08:22.0184 (UTC) FILETIME=[C93CAA80:01C11367] Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Normally I just lurk on the list, but the virus doesn't care. My computer somehow caught the W32.Sircam.Worm@mm virus. My computer is now virus and program free. If any of you get an email from a.grif@home.com *or* an email that begins with "Hi! How are you?" or some similiar thing, then mentions an attachment, junk it. For a somewhat ontopic subject: Why is Nakor so darn cool? K. Griffith _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Mon Jul 23 12:32:39 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 12:32:39 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15Odx0-0006hC-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 12:32:38 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id MAA17567; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 12:32:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA01015; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 07:30:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA01006 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 07:30:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA10844 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 07:30:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail008.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail008.syd.optusnet.com.au [203.2.75.232]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA10832 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 07:30:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (wdcax6-057.dialup.optusnet.com.au [198.142.60.57]) by mail008.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f6NBUh616934 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 21:30:44 +1000 Message-ID: <002401c1136c$862ee320$f1f6fea9@oemcomputer> X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "A Irving" To: References: Subject: Re: Virus Alert Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 21:42:15 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** From: "A Irving" To: Subject: Re: Virus Alert Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 21:42:15 +1000 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu From: K. Griffith > For a somewhat ontopic subject: Why is Nakor so darn cool? > > K. Griffith Because he has never used, let alone heard of, a computer  1, edited,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Mon Jul 23 14:51:42 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 14:51:42 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15Og7Z-0000bc-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 14:51:41 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id OAA22201; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 14:51:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA06829; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 09:48:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA06809 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 09:47:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA26714 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 09:47:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailcity.com (fes-qout.whowhere.com [209.185.123.96]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA26704 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 09:47:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by mailcity.com; Mon Jul 23 06:47:36 2001 X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 09:47:36 -0400 From: "Paddyjack [ ]" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: on Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Re: Virus Alert X-Sender-Ip: 132.203.186.157 Organization: Lycos Mail (http://mail.lycos.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 09:47:36 -0400 From: "Paddyjack [ ]" X-Sent-Mail: on Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: Virus Alert X-Sender-Ip: 132.203.186.157 Organization: Lycos Mail (http://mail.lycos.com:80) Content-Language: en Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu K. Griffith wrote: >Normally I just lurk on the list, but the virus doesn't care. My computer >somehow caught the W32.Sircam.Worm@mm virus. My computer is now virus and >program free. If any of you get an email from a.grif@home.com *or* an email >that begins with "Hi! How are you?" or some similiar thing, then mentions an >attachment, junk it. > I just received that kind of message, from a home.com adress. I wrote to abuse@home.com with the full details of the sender. I hope they will remove him, the ISP can be very pissed by that kind of behavior. There was an attached message, with extension .doc.com. Never open these, folks :-) Paddyjack Get 250 color business cards for FREE! http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Mon Jul 23 15:05:07 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:05:07 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15OgKY-0000mo-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:05:06 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id PAA22600; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:05:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA08070; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:03:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08061 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:02:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA17529 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:02:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17501 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 10:02:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bloodaxe.demon.co.uk ([194.222.19.128]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 15OgIP-000MM2-0A for FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 14:02:54 +0000 Message-ID: <5npkUEBL4CX7EwIE@bloodaxe.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:00:43 +0100 X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu From: Andrea J Chee Subject: Re: Virus Alert References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 U <53FqO0TonWD1n3Vxbi7E3Jm7x8> Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:00:43 +0100 To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu From: Andrea J Chee Subject: Re: Virus Alert Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu In article , Paddyjack [ ] writes > >I just received that kind of message, from a home.com adress. I wrote to >abuse@home.com with the full details of the sender. I hope they will remove him, >the ISP can be very pissed by that kind of behavior. They'll simply advise the user that he's infected. He won't know and didn't send it on purpose. W32.Sircam.Worm@mm is going around - I've seen 17 copies through here in the last 48 hours. For those who need info on the worm and how to remove it, see: http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.sircam.worm@mm.html - ANDREA -- Get PAID for the emails you already send and receive! http://www.mailround.com/ Referrer: andrea@bloodaxe.com ^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^ ANDROMEDA - Internet Goddess http://www.bloodaxe.com/ Bloodaxe's History Links: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/5055/ The Loony Bin Archive: http://loonies.net800.co.uk/  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Mon Jul 23 21:28:13 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 21:28:13 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15OmJJ-0004p5-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 21:28:13 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id VAA03349; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 21:28:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA24644; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:25:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA24635 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:25:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26612 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:25:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ms1.freezone.co.uk ([212.1.130.118]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAB26576 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:25:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from crydee.com (ppp-1-190.cvx1.telinco.net [212.1.136.190]) by ms1.freezone.co.uk (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f6NKPmQ20263 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 21:25:48 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 21:17:12 +0100 X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu From: John Subject: Crydee.com update MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-Beta-5-U () Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 21:17:12 +0100 To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu From: John Subject: Crydee.com update User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-Beta-5-U () Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Well now my computer is sort of working OK, I have made a few changes. As the Miscellaneous Artefacts section has grown with Original Art. I have now created a sub menu of Miscellaneous Artefacts specifically for Original Art A direct link can be found at http://www.crydee.com/feist/misc/oart/oartindex.htm The new items I have uploaded are the last two buttons on the list. Magician Apprentice and Rage of a Demon King These are the Hungarian covers Ray, I would be interested in your comments on the Magician Apprentice cover, and does the scene resemble what you thought it looked like enjoy -- John john@crydee.com Books to read, and shelves to fill, http://www.crydee.com/ Ray's great books, just fit the bill. Raymond E Feist Ring http://www.crydee.com/refwebring/ringindex.htm  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Mon Jul 23 23:33:49 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 23:33:49 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15OoGr-0005sE-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 23:33:49 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id XAA06684; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 23:33:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA29667; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 18:32:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA29438 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 18:31:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06192 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 18:31:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow035o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.121]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA06151 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 18:31:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cableinet.co.uk ([213.48.4.235]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Mon, 23 Jul 2001 23:31:51 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 23:30:42 +0100 X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu From: John Subject: Crydee.com Update. re BAK MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-Beta-5-U () Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 23:30:42 +0100 To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu From: John Subject: Crydee.com Update. re BAK User-Agent: Turnpike/6.00-Beta-5-U () Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu I Just got a message from Neal Halford, who i guess most of you will recognise from Betrayal at Krondor fame. I have posted it in the News section of my site, for all to read It relates to a book on game design entitled Swords & Circuitry: A Designer's Guide to Computer Role-Playing Games -- John john@crydee.com Books to read, and shelves to fill, http://www.crydee.com/ Ray's great books, just fit the bill. Raymond E Feist Ring http://www.crydee.com/refwebring/ringindex.htm  1, edited,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Tue Jul 24 00:28:00 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 00:28:00 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15Op7H-0006HD-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 00:27:59 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id AAA07700; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 00:27:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA02024; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 19:25:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA02015 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 19:25:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Brad_A_Krahe@allegiance.com.au Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA08950 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 19:25:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asnet2.allegiance.com.au (asnet2.allegiance.com.au [150.173.243.4]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA08887 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 19:25:32 -0400 (EDT) X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) Received: by asnet2.allegiance.com.au; id JAA05626; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:25:29 +1000 (EST) Received: from admin2.allegiance.com.au(150.173.244.10) by asnet2.allegiance.com.au via csmap (V1.5) id srcAAA0kbnVr; Tue, 24 Jul 01 09:25:29 +1000 Received: from mailgate.allegiance.com.au (mailgate.allegiance.com.au [150.173.252.158]) by admin2.allegiance.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA26148 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:25:28 +1000 Received: by mailgate.allegiance.com.au(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 (600.1 3-26-1998)) id CA256A92.008078E9 ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:23:15 +1000 X-Lotus-FromDomain: HCS To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:23:11 +1000 Subject: Nakor Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** From: Brad_A_Krahe@allegiance.com.au X-Lotus-FromDomain: HCS To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:23:11 +1000 Subject: Nakor Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu >For a somewhat ontopic subject: Why is Nakor so darn cool? > >K. Griffith > Like yourself, I normally lurk in dark places without a comment on anything that hits my inbox from the list. Watch what you say about Nakor, I had a very bad experience about a year or two ago (can't remember exactly, but it was before the Melbourne - Australia book signing) on this list when I asked the question whether Ray had ever 'considered' doing a book about Nakor (I never asked could he). I have only recently joined the list again :) Considering for a supporting character through the books we find out interesting information about Nakor (I wont say alot of information, because being as old as he is 'could' probably fill a book in itself, though I find not knowing everything far more interesting - imagination is a great thing!). Knowing what we know about him I also find his character 'darn cool'. From Shadow of a Dark Queen I fell in love with the Nakor character (reminded me of a friends gnome illusionist / thief somewhat, from my old AD&D days). I would be very interested if anyone has a sort of 'BIO' on Nakor, pieces of information gathered from all the books he appears in ? If not, if there's enough interest on the list I could go back through the books and see what I could dig up ?? P.S. Hello to everyone on the list, this time round I'll try not to get everyone's blood boiling :) Regards, Brad Krahe SAP Business & Support Consultant Allegiance Systems www.allegiance.com.au  1, edited,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Wed Jul 25 06:26:02 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 06:26:02 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15PHBJ-0006qR-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 06:26:01 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id GAA16661; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 06:26:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA02094; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 01:23:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA02085 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 01:23:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA23232 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 01:23:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from femail24.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail24.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.149]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA23218 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 01:23:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cr909493a ([24.157.253.111]) by femail24.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010725052259.EQJM182.femail24.sdc1.sfba.home.com@cr909493a> for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:22:59 -0700 Message-ID: <000e01c114c9$a999de60$6ffd9d18@hnsn1.on.wave.home.com> X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "@Home Mail" To: Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 01:21:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Content-Type: text/plain *** EOOH *** From: "@Home Mail" To: Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 01:21:23 -0400 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu checking to see if i got bounced  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Wed Jul 25 14:51:08 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:51:08 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15PP47-0004IV-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:51:07 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id OAA29156; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:51:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA18455; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:47:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA18446 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:47:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA01284 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:47:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web11907.mail.yahoo.com (web11907.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.191]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA01270 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:47:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010725134709.20060.qmail@web11907.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.20.240.253] by web11907.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 06:47:09 PDT Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 06:47:09 -0700 (PDT) X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: Joshua Stanton Subject: Re: To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu In-Reply-To: <000e01c114c9$a999de60$6ffd9d18@hnsn1.on.wave.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 06:47:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Joshua Stanton Subject: Re: To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Slow day. I was about to check myself. ~Joshua~ --- "@Home Mail" wrote: > checking to see if i got bounced > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Wed Jul 25 15:10:50 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:10:50 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15PPNB-0004YS-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:10:49 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id PAA29720; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:10:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA19707; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:07:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA19698 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:07:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA06560 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:07:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.wrs.com (unknown-1-11.windriver.com [147.11.1.11]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA06384 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:07:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.swindon.wrsec.fr (mail.swindon.wrsec.fr [147.11.90.31]) by mail.wrs.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA28631 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 07:07:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ripple.windriver.com (ripple.swindon.wrsec.fr [147.11.90.27]) by mail.swindon.wrsec.fr (8.11.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f6PE79P27818 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:07:09 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010725150020.0265ea10@mail.swindon.wrsec.fr> X-Sender: rip@mail.swindon.wrsec.fr X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:09:18 +0100 X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu From: Richard Williamson Subject: Re: [OT] Elfwood In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010626231727.0200ae90@mail> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20010626091136.0ee25970@mail.swindon.wrsec.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:09:18 +0100 To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu From: Richard Williamson Subject: Re: [OT] Elfwood Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu For those who asked, Elfwood has come back up. The join/upload features are currently still offline, so you budding authors/artists can't post your stories or art. The people who run it are still working in more security arrangements, and then will bring those bits back online when ready. http://elfwood.lysator.liu.se/elfwood.html I would plug my uploads, but that's cheesy and shameless. Besides, they have a search engine ;-> (It Says Here. I note in passing that it is currently offline. hm). rip  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Wed Jul 25 15:28:34 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:28:34 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15PPeL-0004np-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:28:33 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id PAA00517; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:28:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA20568; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:25:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA20559 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:24:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA08551 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:24:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.svr.pol.co.uk (mail3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.19]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08501 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:24:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from modem-72.dysprosium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.52.200] helo=tinypc) by mail3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 15PPaj-0005TS-00 for FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:24:51 +0100 X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "William Marnoch" To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:27:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Murder in Lamut Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** From: "William Marnoch" To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:27:27 +0100 Subject: Murder in Lamut Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Priority: normal Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Hi, As some of you may have already noticed, Amazon.co.uk are no offering the second Riftwar Legends book, "Murder In Lamut" for pre-order. According to them it will be released on 5th May 2002 and they have decided that it will be 400 pages long, the same length as they originally claimed Honoured Enemy was going to be which makes me doubt their accuracy ;). Ray, how accurate is this information, are Amazon just arbitrarily making things up again? -- William Marnoch william@wmarnoch.freeserve.co.uk ICQ:77848483  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Wed Jul 25 15:49:19 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:49:19 +0100 Received: from m1 ([130.88.192.2] helo=m1.cs.man.ac.uk ident=0) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15PPyR-00054E-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:49:19 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by m1.cs.man.ac.uk (8.8.8/AL/MJK-2.0) id PAA01103; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:49:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA22430; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:46:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22421 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:46:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA27580 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:46:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail001.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail001.syd.optusnet.com.au [203.2.75.244]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27524 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:46:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oemcomputer (wdcax11-232.dialup.optusnet.com.au [198.142.111.232]) by mail001.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f6PEjpG14477 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 00:45:54 +1000 Message-ID: <003301c1151a$24bd4000$f1f6fea9@oemcomputer> X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "A Irving" To: Subject: library+books Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 00:57:23 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** From: "A Irving" To: Subject: library+books Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 00:57:23 +1000 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Ray, What is your view on libraries that stock your book. I mean, you write to make money, yet libraries let people borrow it for, relatively, free. Are you just glad that people that would not normally buy/be able to afford your books can still read them? I only ask this as I was looking at my local library and honoured Enemy, On order, already had 52 holds (This is for all the city council libraries in Brisbane, Australia). Would you make the same profit from a book sold to a library as you would from a book sold to a retailer? CIAO, Aaron http://www.hallofworlds.net/kerr/main.php http://www.nightshadow.co.uk  1, edited,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Thu Jul 26 09:24:33 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:24:33 +0100 Received: from moggie ([130.88.192.67] helo=moggie.cs.man.ac.uk ident=root) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15PgRc-0003lX-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:24:32 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by moggie.cs.man.ac.uk id JAA25249; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:24:21 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA19403; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 02:29:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA19393 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 02:29:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA27559 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 02:29:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f70.hotmail.com [216.32.181.70]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA27535 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 02:28:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:29:00 -0700 Received: from 64.180.107.143 by lw2fd.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 06:28:59 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.180.107.143] X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "Caleb Fox" To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: movie licenses Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:28:59 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2001 06:29:00.0756 (UTC) FILETIME=[41E2F940:01C1159C] Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** X-Originating-IP: [64.180.107.143] From: "Caleb Fox" To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: movie licenses Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:28:59 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2001 06:29:00.0756 (UTC) FILETIME=[41E2F940:01C1159C] Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu I HATE IT WHEN COMPUTER GAMES ARE MADE ABOUT BOOKS, ESPECIALLY FANTASY ONES. it ruins the book. the reason you read is because it catches you up in the story, you can think about certain things, how certain people look etc. with computer games that is all generated and i think it ruins the magic of books. caleb 'krazze' fox  1, edited,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Thu Jul 26 09:28:32 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:28:32 +0100 Received: from moggie ([130.88.192.67] helo=moggie.cs.man.ac.uk ident=root) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15PgVU-0003rl-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:28:32 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by moggie.cs.man.ac.uk id JAA25365; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:28:22 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA08079; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:59:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA08070 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:59:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA04186 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:59:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailin1.bigpond.com (juicer13.bigpond.com [139.134.6.21]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA04139 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:59:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from valinor ([144.135.24.75]) by mailin1.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GH25SH00.9FI for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 12:05:05 +1000 Received: from CPE-61-9-163-141.vic.bigpond.net.au ([61.9.163.141]) by bwmam03.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V2.9g 8323/6513747); 26 Jul 2001 12:04:41 Message-ID: <200107261159050025.008E7795@mail-hub> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.20.01.01 (4) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 11:59:05 +1000 X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "Jason Mulligan" To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: movie licenses Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by elist01.mail.cornell.edu id VAA08070 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 11:59:05 +1000 From: "Jason Mulligan" To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: movie licenses Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu On 26/07/2001 at 10:28 AM Allan Mills wrote: >Something thats been announced today is the making of some more computer >games based upon Lord of the Rings. However these are being licensed from >the makers of the movie rather than Tolkiens estate. In this case, it stems from the fact that Saul Zantez bought the rights from Tolkien (I think Saul may have purchased them before J.R.R. passed away, I'm not sure on that) wholly years ago when making the Bakshi animated film. The company that holds those right, Tolkien Enterprises, has since licensed various things (computer games, miniatures, the MERP RPG (as well as the new RPG being made by Decipher), as well as others). Of course I'm unsure what deal Tolkien Enterprises has made with New Line. Regards, Jason Mullligan (resident Tolkien fan)i  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Thu Jul 26 09:32:39 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:32:39 +0100 Received: from moggie ([130.88.192.67] helo=moggie.cs.man.ac.uk ident=root) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15PgZS-0003xl-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:32:39 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by moggie.cs.man.ac.uk id JAA25473; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:32:03 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA05829; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:05:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA05820 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:05:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA27567 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:05:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.san.rr.com (smtp1.san.rr.com [24.25.195.37]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA27555 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:05:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (24-165-28-33.san.rr.com [24.165.28.33]) by smtp1.san.rr.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6Q164929110 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:06:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107260106.f6Q164929110@smtp1.san.rr.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:05:08 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.388) X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: Raymond Feist To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v388) In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: movie licenses Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:05:08 -0700 From: Raymond Feist To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: movie licenses Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu On Wednesday, July 25, 2001, at 05:28 PM, Allan Mills wrote: > Something thats been announced today is the making of some more > computer > games based upon Lord of the Rings. However these are being licensed > from > the makers of the movie rather than Tolkiens estate. > > This is similar to Westwoods Dune games which are licensed from the > movie > rather than the books. > > What I was wondering is does a movie company automatically get the > rights > to have spin off products based upon their movies when the buy the > rights to > make a movie from a book or does the company need to have a clause in > the > contract that allows them to do so ? > > Allan > > Nothing is "automatic." Every right granted is negotiated. Best, R.E.F. ---- Never attribute to malice what can satisfactorily be explained away by stupidity.  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Thu Jul 26 09:32:40 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:32:40 +0100 Received: from moggie ([130.88.192.67] helo=moggie.cs.man.ac.uk ident=root) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15PgZU-0003xn-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:32:40 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by moggie.cs.man.ac.uk id JAA25476; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:32:04 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA03559; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 20:31:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA03550 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 20:30:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11714 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 20:30:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailin5.bigpond.com (juicer02.bigpond.com [139.134.6.78]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA11633 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 20:30:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from css01.css.com.au ([139.134.4.51]) by mailin5.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GH21ME00.B2K for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:35:02 +1000 Received: from CPE-61-9-151-190.vic.bigpond.net.au ([61.9.151.190]) by mail7.bigpond.com(MailRouter V2.9g 15/13280595); 26 Jul 2001 10:29:27 Received: by css01.css.com.au with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:28:29 +1000 Message-ID: X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: Allan Mills To: "'FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu'" Subject: movie licenses Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:28:29 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** From: Allan Mills To: "'FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu'" Subject: movie licenses Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:28:29 +1000 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Something thats been announced today is the making of some more computer games based upon Lord of the Rings. However these are being licensed from the makers of the movie rather than Tolkiens estate. This is similar to Westwoods Dune games which are licensed from the movie rather than the books. What I was wondering is does a movie company automatically get the rights to have spin off products based upon their movies when the buy the rights to make a movie from a book or does the company need to have a clause in the contract that allows them to do so ? Allan  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Thu Jul 26 09:32:42 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:32:42 +0100 Received: from moggie ([130.88.192.67] helo=moggie.cs.man.ac.uk ident=root) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15PgZV-0003xo-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:32:41 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by moggie.cs.man.ac.uk id JAA25480; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:32:35 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA29267; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:08:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA29258 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:08:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05848 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:08:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtpsrv0.isis.unc.edu (smtpsrv0.isis.unc.edu [152.2.1.139]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA05821 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:08:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from login7.isis.unc.edu (smrussel@login7.isis.unc.edu [152.2.1.104]) by smtpsrv0.isis.unc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA04494 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:08:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smrussel@localhost) by login7.isis.unc.edu (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA56994; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:08:23 -0400 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:08:23 -0400 (EDT) X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: STEPHEN M RUSSELL X-Sender: smrussel@login7.isis.unc.edu To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: Greetings In-Reply-To: <20010725194424.10758.qmail@web12705.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:08:23 -0400 (EDT) From: STEPHEN M RUSSELL To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: Greetings Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Terry, Welcome to the list. Which college do you attend? Since you're a Feist fan, and therefore obviously have at least _some_ sense, you certainly don't go to Dook or State. Hopefully :) Steve Russell (smrussel@email.unc.edu) Publisher, Carolina Review > Hello. I've been lurking on the list for a week or so and I thought I > would introduce myself. My name is terry Corbett and I'm a college > student from North Carolina...  1, edited,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Thu Jul 26 09:32:43 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:32:43 +0100 Received: from moggie ([130.88.192.67] helo=moggie.cs.man.ac.uk ident=root) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15PgZW-0003xr-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:32:42 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by moggie.cs.man.ac.uk id JAA25484; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:32:37 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA01458; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:47:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA01449 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:47:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01459 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:47:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailin5.bigpond.com (juicer02.bigpond.com [139.134.6.78]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA01433 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:47:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from valinor ([144.135.24.75]) by mailin5.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GH1ZO700.C4U for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:52:55 +1000 Received: from CPE-61-9-163-141.vic.bigpond.net.au ([61.9.163.141]) by bwmam03.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V2.9g 8323/6353146); 26 Jul 2001 09:52:55 Message-ID: <200107260946510176.001567FD@mail-hub> In-Reply-To: <024b01c11525$e3f60910$d0341a41@zaknafein> References: <024b01c11525$e3f60910$d0341a41@zaknafein> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.20.01.01 (4) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:46:51 +1000 X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "Jason Mulligan" To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: library+books Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by elist01.mail.cornell.edu id TAA01449 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:46:51 +1000 From: "Jason Mulligan" To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: library+books Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu On 25/07/2001 at 11:21 AM Darren McClung wrote: >It will be interesting though how publishers deal with libraries as >technology evolves. I read an article just recently that several large >publishing companies want to put strict restrictions on the way e-books can >be borrowed. Frankly, I have zero interest in ebooks (at least for fiction, reference material is another matter) and hope I can always get 'real' books. Although technology evolves to the point where I computer can read text which you can distinguish from a human, that would be something that would interest me.  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Thu Jul 26 09:46:23 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:46:24 +0100 Received: from moggie ([130.88.192.67] helo=moggie.cs.man.ac.uk ident=root) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15PgmK-0004CP-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:46:23 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by moggie.cs.man.ac.uk id JAA25611; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:45:53 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA18957; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 16:21:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18948 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 16:21:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05020 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 16:21:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.san.rr.com (smtp3.san.rr.com [24.25.195.40]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04990 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 16:21:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (24-165-28-33.san.rr.com [24.165.28.33]) by smtp3.san.rr.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6PKMZa21208 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:22:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107252022.f6PKMZa21208@smtp3.san.rr.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:21:36 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.388) X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: Raymond Feist To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v388) In-Reply-To: <024b01c11525$e3f60910$d0341a41@zaknafein> Subject: Re: library+books Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:21:36 -0700 From: Raymond Feist To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: library+books Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu On Wednesday, July 25, 2001, at 09:21 AM, Darren McClung wrote: > Libraries are an interesting subject. With all the lawsuits being > thrown > around involving intellectual property, the DMCA, and the sort, > Libraries > have come through virtually unscathed. Yet, what a library does is not > much > different than what companies like MP3.com were doing. Huge difference. MP3/Napster was making copies without paying for them. Note the word "copies." If someone had made ONE copy of a song, for example, and paid for it, then lent it to a friend while deleting the copy on their computer, and then that friend lent it out, deleting it, etc. In other words, if ONE paid-for copy had made the rounds, no one would have cared any more than if you loan your CD to a buddy. This lack of ability to discern the difference is the heart of why so many people don't get "intellectual property" and why writers, musicians, and artist have so much trouble getting the general public to understand the problem. Best, R.E.F. ---- Never attribute to malice what can satisfactorily be explained away by stupidity.  1,, X-Coding-System: iso-latin-1-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Thu Jul 26 09:46:53 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:46:53 +0100 Received: from moggie ([130.88.192.67] helo=moggie.cs.man.ac.uk ident=root) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15PgmW-0004CT-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:46:53 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by moggie.cs.man.ac.uk id JAA25613; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:45:55 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA23475; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:19:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA23466 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:19:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05899 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:19:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.san.rr.com (smtp3.san.rr.com [24.25.195.40]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05871 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:19:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (24-165-28-33.san.rr.com [24.165.28.33]) by smtp3.san.rr.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6PLKNa10362 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:20:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107252120.f6PLKNa10362@smtp3.san.rr.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:19:24 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.388) X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: Raymond Feist To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v388) In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: library+books X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by elist01.mail.cornell.edu id RAA23466 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by moggie.cs.man.ac.uk id JAA25613 *** EOOH *** Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:19:24 -0700 From: Raymond Feist To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: library+books Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu On Wednesday, July 25, 2001, at 01:46 PM, Michael Renn wrote: > Hello, everyone, I'm new to the list, so I hope I'm not doing anything > taboo (please tell me if I am!)  Mr.. Feist, I have a question for you > and I hope you haven't already answered this one, but here goes:  I > first was introduced to your work by way of my intense love of the > computer game Betrayal at Krondor.  I really liked the character of > Gorath but it is quite obvious he will never appear in another of your > works.  However, in close second was Owyn, who apart from having a > really neat personality, becomes rather powerful (after rescuing Pug) > and I was wondering why it was that you chose not to include him in the > Serpentwar Saga and will he ever appear again?  Just wondering, thanks. > I just had no particular interest in the character. Gorath was the only character I inherited from the game that I choose to develop, and as you said, he's not going to be coming back. Best, R.E.F. ---- Never attribute to malice what can satisfactorily be explained away by stupidity.  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Thu Jul 26 09:46:55 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:46:55 +0100 Received: from moggie ([130.88.192.67] helo=moggie.cs.man.ac.uk ident=root) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15PgnH-0004DH-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:46:55 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by moggie.cs.man.ac.uk id JAA25622; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:46:17 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA13417; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:21:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA13405 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:21:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26863 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:21:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.ncn.com (mail.ncn.com [206.163.84.3]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA26845 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:21:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gamina (ccc-9-24.chemeketa.edu [199.101.9.24]) by mail.ncn.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA22055 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:23:24 -0700 (PDT) X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "Earl Borah" To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:21:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: library+books Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Message-ID: <3B5EB9CE.31036.ABA25BB@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <024b01c11525$e3f60910$d0341a41@zaknafein> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** From: "Earl Borah" To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:21:34 -0700 Subject: Re: library+books Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Priority: normal Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu > Libraries are an interesting subject. With all the lawsuits being > thrown around involving intellectual property, the DMCA, and the sort, > Libraries have come through virtually unscathed. Yet, what a library > does is not much different than what companies like MP3.com were Actually, it is completely and entirely different. With borrowing a library book, while you check that book out, nobody else can read it. When you check the book back in, you cannot continue reading it -- it's gone, and all you have left are memories. With MP3's, every person who "shares" it gets a complete copy, and every single person can listen to it as many times as they please. When you "check out" an MP3, the original is still there to be "checked out" by anyone else, and you can continue listening to it forever without ever needing to "check it in" again. That's the difference (which is also what makes it a copyright violation -- you need to have permission before you have the RIGHT to COPY something that is copyrighted). You don't need permission to share (or even sell) an existing copy, as a library (or used bookstore) does -- because then YOUR copy disappears when you loan/give/sell it, and you're not creating a new copy. It's going to take a few years (and some more overreactions on both sides) to really settle down on a fair balance between making sure people like Ray (not to mention songwriters and performers) can still make a living, and making sure there aren't unreasonable hurdles associated with the electronic version of their works that scare off consumers. > 2) lines: As wasjust mentioned, there are 52 in line for a copy of > Honoured Enemy. These people will probably be waiting for a while. > > Combine these two factors and you have some serious wait time for a > new release. Fans will simply buy the book. Anyone who is wiling to > sit through the line isn't likely willing to spend 25$USD on the > hardcover anyway. There are exceptions to every rule, and I guess I'm good at being an exception. Harry Turtledove just released a new book, a continuation of a series. My wife LOVES his books in general, and this series in particular. She had to check it out from the library to read it though, because it will be at least another week or two before we can afford to buy it. Even though she's read it, we WILL be buying it, as soon as we can afford it. I guess that makes us hardcore junkies who are too poor to satisfy their habits. ----- "I dislike being wrong, and having to admit it publicly later. It's embarrassing, humiliating, and unnecessary. It would have been just as easy, and much more pleasant, to have been right in the first place." - Jack Richard, former Editor of Boardwatch Magazine  1, edited,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Thu Jul 26 09:47:41 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:47:41 +0100 Received: from moggie ([130.88.192.67] helo=moggie.cs.man.ac.uk ident=root) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15Pgnc-0004EF-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:47:41 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by moggie.cs.man.ac.uk id JAA25616; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:45:56 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA20690; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 16:46:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA20681 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 16:46:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16238 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 16:46:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f133.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.133]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA16216 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 16:46:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:46:27 -0700 Received: from 216.174.222.10 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 20:46:27 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.174.222.10] X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "Michael Renn" To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: library+books Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:46:27 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2001 20:46:27.0302 (UTC) FILETIME=[E0012860:01C1154A] Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** X-Originating-IP: [216.174.222.10] From: "Michael Renn" To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: library+books Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:46:27 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2001 20:46:27.0302 (UTC) FILETIME=[E0012860:01C1154A] Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Hello, everyone, I'm new to the list, so I hope I'm not doing anything taboo (please tell me if I am!) Mr.. Feist, I have a question for you and I hope you haven't already answered this one, but here goes: I first was introduced to your work by way of my intense love of the computer game Betrayal at Krondor. I really liked the character of Gorath but it is quite obvious he will never appear in another of your works. However, in close second was Owyn, who apart from having a really neat personality, becomes rather powerful (after rescuing Pug) and I was wondering why it was that you chose not to include him in the Serpentwar Saga and will he ever appear again? Just wondering, thanks. Michael Renn "I have taken all knowledge to be my province." -Francis Bacon >From: Raymond Feist >Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu >To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu >Subject: Re: library+books >Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:21:36 -0700 > > >On Wednesday, July 25, 2001, at 09:21 AM, Darren McClung wrote: > >>Libraries are an interesting subject. With all the lawsuits being >>thrown >>around involving intellectual property, the DMCA, and the sort, >>Libraries >>have come through virtually unscathed. Yet, what a library does is >>not >>much >>different than what companies like MP3.com were doing. > >Huge difference. > >MP3/Napster was making copies without paying for them. Note the >word >"copies." > >If someone had made ONE copy of a song, for example, and paid for >it, >then lent it to a friend while deleting the copy on their computer, >and >then that friend lent it out, deleting it, etc. In other words, if >ONE >paid-for copy had made the rounds, no one would have cared any more >than >if you loan your CD to a buddy. > >This lack of ability to discern the difference is the heart of why >so >many people don't get "intellectual property" and why writers, >musicians, and artist have so much trouble getting the general >public to >understand the problem. > > >Best, R.E.F. > >---- > >Never attribute to malice what can satisfactorily be explained away >by >stupidity. >  1, edited,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Thu Jul 26 09:47:48 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:47:48 +0100 Received: from moggie ([130.88.192.67] helo=moggie.cs.man.ac.uk ident=root) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15Pgo8-0004F2-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:47:48 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by moggie.cs.man.ac.uk id JAA25627; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:47:08 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA15669; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:44:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15660 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:44:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25795 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:44:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web12705.mail.yahoo.com (web12705.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.242]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA25758 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:44:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010725194424.10758.qmail@web12705.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [152.8.246.28] by web12705.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:44:24 PDT Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:44:24 -0700 (PDT) X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: Terry Corbett Subject: Greetings To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii *** EOOH *** Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:44:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Corbett Subject: Greetings To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Hello. I've been lurking on the list for a week or so and I thought I would introduce myself. My name is Terry Corbett and I'm a college student from North Carolina. I love to read and have a small library in my room. :) A friend of mine told me about Raymond E. Feist a while back. I admit that I didn't really pay much attention to what my friend told me then, but he kept bringing up Feist. He even told me about a part in Faerie Tale. Lately, I've been looking for some good fantasy novels to read while waiting for the next Wheel of Time novel. I picked up David Farland's Runelord books and while I loved them, I got the impression that he might be trying to make Runelords on the scale of the Wheel of Time series, which is 9th book and shows no sign of coming to a conclusion any time soon.... Then, I tried out Brian Herbert's Dune prequels since I had read the Dune Chronicals years ago. Halfway through House Harkonnen, I realized that I wasn't into Sci-Fi as much as I was when I read the orginial Dune books.... Then, I remembled that Raymond E. Feist fellow my friend used to go on and on about and decided to give him a try. Unfortunately, I couldn't remember which came first, Riftwar or Serpentwar. And the different sagas are published by different companies, so neither had a complete list of all of Feist's books. So, I picked up Shadow of a Dark Queen because the bookstore I went to had all of the Serpentwar Sage, but not all of Riftwar. Also, in the praise page, someone said it was a good place to start for those not familar with Feist. I learned my mistake when I stumbled upon Crydee.com later on, but as I loved SoaDQ and wanted to know what happened next, I went ahead with Serpentwar. I'm halfway through Rage of a Demon King now. I went ahead and bought the Riftwar Sage, though, and I can't wait to read it! I'll buy the others when I get to them and hopefully, Krondor: Tear of the Gods will be in paperback by then. :) One thing I really like about Feist's books is that instead of having them all in one HUGE series, it's in several parts. WoT started to get kind of stale after the 6th or 7th book, so I thought that this last one would actually be the LAST one, but it's not.... With Feist's books, there's no sense of staleness. The story actually gets told in 3 or 4 books! Something else I like is that each saga goes back to the same worlds as the other ones. It's always irritated me when an author would write a trilogy and that would be the end of it. There wouldn't be any sense of staleness, but there would be a sense of emptiness. But with Feist, I'm not going to have to worry about that. Once I'm done with Serpentwar, I still will have Riftwar Saga, the Empire Trilogy, Riftwar Legacy, and the stand alone books, plus whatever else will be out by the time I read all of these! If it's not obvious by now, I'm really excited. :) Terry Corbett --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Thu Jul 26 09:47:49 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:47:49 +0100 Received: from moggie ([130.88.192.67] helo=moggie.cs.man.ac.uk ident=root) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15Pgo9-0004F3-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:47:49 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by moggie.cs.man.ac.uk id JAA25634; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:47:20 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA08929; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:29:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08920 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:28:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06821 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:28:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web9010.mail.yahoo.com (web9010.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.128.172]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA06785 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:28:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010725182848.43587.qmail@web9010.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.35.181.69] by web9010.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:28:48 PDT Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:28:48 -0700 (PDT) X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: Peter Senser Subject: Re: question for Mr Feist To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu In-Reply-To: <200107181840.f6IIef924798@smtp1.san.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:28:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Peter Senser Subject: Re: question for Mr Feist To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Thank you Raymond, I did not know you were working on two new books, I look forward to reading them. Thanks Peter Senser __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/  1,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Thu Jul 26 09:48:37 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:48:37 +0100 Received: from moggie ([130.88.192.67] helo=moggie.cs.man.ac.uk ident=root) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15Pgou-0004FR-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:48:36 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by moggie.cs.man.ac.uk id JAA25640; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:47:48 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA29843; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:18:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29834 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:18:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29583 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:18:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.san.rr.com (smtp3.san.rr.com [24.25.195.40]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29565 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:18:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (24-165-28-33.san.rr.com [24.165.28.33]) by smtp3.san.rr.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6PGJla27113 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:19:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107251619.f6PGJla27113@smtp3.san.rr.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:18:49 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.388) X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: Raymond Feist To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v388) In-Reply-To: <003301c1151a$24bd4000$f1f6fea9@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: library+books Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:18:49 -0700 From: Raymond Feist To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: library+books Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu On Wednesday, July 25, 2001, at 07:57 AM, A Irving wrote: > Ray, What is your view on libraries that stock your book. I mean, you > write > to make money, yet libraries let people borrow it for, relatively, > free. Are > you just glad that people that would not normally buy/be able to afford > your > books can still read them? > I only ask this as I was looking at my local library and honoured > Enemy, On > order, already had 52 holds (This is for all the city council libraries > in > Brisbane, Australia). Would you make the same profit from a book sold > to a > library as you would from a book sold to a retailer? > CIAO, > Aaron > > http://www.hallofworlds.net/kerr/main.php > http://www.nightshadow.co.uk > > The books are paid for. Libraries have to buy them. It's like you buying a book and lending it to a friend. Best, R.E.F. ---- Never attribute to malice what can satisfactorily be explained away by stupidity.  1, edited,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Thu Jul 26 09:48:38 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:48:38 +0100 Received: from moggie ([130.88.192.67] helo=moggie.cs.man.ac.uk ident=root) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15Pgov-0004FV-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:48:38 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by moggie.cs.man.ac.uk id JAA25642; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:48:04 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA29951; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:22:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29871 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA00273 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.san.rr.com (smtp3.san.rr.com [24.25.195.40]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA00252 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:19:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (24-165-28-33.san.rr.com [24.165.28.33]) by smtp3.san.rr.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6PGKXa28144 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:20:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200107251620.f6PGKXa28144@smtp3.san.rr.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:19:35 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.388) X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: Raymond Feist To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v388) In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Murder in Lamut Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii *** EOOH *** Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:19:35 -0700 From: Raymond Feist To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: Murder in Lamut Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu On Wednesday, July 25, 2001, at 07:27 AM, William Marnoch wrote: > Hi, > As some of you may have already noticed, Amazon.co.uk are no > offering the second Riftwar Legends book, "Murder In Lamut" for > pre-order. > According to them it will be released on 5th May 2002 and they > have decided that it will be 400 pages long, the same length as > they originally claimed Honoured Enemy was going to be which > makes me doubt their accuracy ;). > Ray, how accurate is this information, are Amazon just arbitrarily > making things up again? > Not arbitrary, just best guess. We don't know the length, because we're only about 1/4 through writing it. Best, R.E.F. ---- Never attribute to malice what can satisfactorily be explained away by stupidity.  1, edited,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Thu Jul 26 09:49:27 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:49:27 +0100 Received: from moggie ([130.88.192.67] helo=moggie.cs.man.ac.uk ident=root) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15Pgov-0004FQ-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:49:27 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by moggie.cs.man.ac.uk id JAA25637; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:47:46 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA10169; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:38:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornell.edu (cornell.edu [132.236.56.6]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA10160 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:38:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26711 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:38:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web12701.mail.yahoo.com (web12701.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.238]) by cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA26659 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:38:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20010725183813.2823.qmail@web12701.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [152.8.246.28] by web12701.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:38:13 PDT Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:38:13 -0700 (PDT) X-PH: V4.1@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: Terry Corbett Subject: Re: Nakor To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii *** EOOH *** Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:38:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Terry Corbett Subject: Re: Nakor To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu > > I would think a book about Nakor would be very cool! I'm still somewhat new to Raymond E. Feist's works, but Nakor is already one of my favorite characters! >Terry Corbett > Brad_A_Krahe@allegiance.com.au wrote: For a somewhat ontopic subject: Why is Nakor so darn cool? > >K. Griffith Like yourself, I normally lurk in dark places without a comment on anything that hits my inbox from the list. Watch what you say about Nakor, I had a very bad experience about a year or two ago (can't remember exactly, but it was before the Melbourne - Australia book signing) on this list when I asked the question whether Ray had ever 'considered' doing a book about Nakor (I never asked could he). I have only recently joined the list again :) Considering for a supporting character through the books we find out interesting information about Nakor (I wont say alot of information, because being as old as he is 'could' probably fill a book in itself, though I find not knowing everything far more interesting - imagination is a great thing!). Knowing what we know about him I also find his character 'darn cool'. From Shadow of a Dark Queen I fell in love with the Nakor character (reminded me of a friends gnome illusionist / thief somewhat, from my old AD&D days). I would be very interested if anyone has a sort of 'BIO' on Nakor, pieces of information gathered from all the books he appears in ? If not, if there's enough interest on the list I could go back through the books and see what I could dig up ?? P.S. Hello to everyone on the list, this time round I'll try not to get everyone's blood boiling :) Regards, Brad Krahe SAP Business & Support Consultant Allegiance Systems www.allegiance.com.au --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/  1, edited,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Thu Jul 26 09:49:33 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:49:33 +0100 Received: from moggie ([130.88.192.67] helo=moggie.cs.man.ac.uk ident=root) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15Pgpo-0004Gn-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:49:32 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by moggie.cs.man.ac.uk id JAA25661; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:48:31 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA00107; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:25:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from router2.mail.cornell.edu (router2.mail.cornell.edu [132.236.56.16]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29940 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:21:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02247 for FEISTFANS-L@elist01.mail.cornell.edu; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:21:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail6.kc.rr.com (fe6.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.163.53]) by router2.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA02174 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:21:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zaknafein ([65.26.52.208]) by mail6.kc.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.537.53); Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:21:16 -0500 Message-ID: <024b01c11525$e3f60910$d0341a41@zaknafein> X-PH: V4.1@router2.mail.cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) From: "Darren McClung" To: References: Subject: Re: library+books Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:21:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.2.09.cu01/000107/15:22 -- ListProc(tm) by CREN *** EOOH *** From: "Darren McClung" To: Subject: Re: library+books Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:21:42 -0500 Reply-To: FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Sender: owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Libraries are an interesting subject. With all the lawsuits being thrown around involving intellectual property, the DMCA, and the sort, Libraries have come through virtually unscathed. Yet, what a library does is not much different than what companies like MP3.com were doing. Personally, I was introduced to Ray's work at the local library. (well, technically BaK is what got me interested to rent them in the first place) I later became a fan and bought all the books. Libraries provide a valuable service, and allow people to find books they wouldn't otherwise be exposed to. There are two major disadvantages to borrowing books from libraries though, that I feel add incentive to owning. 1) delay: It takes libraries time to get new books in. 2) lines: As wasjust mentioned, there are 52 in line for a copy of Honoured Enemy. These people will probably be waiting for a while. Combine these two factors and you have some serious wait time for a new release. Fans will simply buy the book. Anyone who is wiling to sit through the line isn't likely willing to spend 25$USD on the hardcover anyway. It will be interesting though how publishers deal with libraries as technology evolves. I read an article just recently that several large publishing companies want to put strict restrictions on the way e-books can be borrowed. Darren (and this concludes my annual post--see you next year! :) ) > > >From: "A Irving" > >Ray, What is your view on libraries that stock your book. I mean, you write > >to make money, yet libraries let people borrow it for, relatively, free. > >Are > >you just glad that people that would not normally buy/be able to afford > >your > >books can still read them? > >I only ask this as I was looking at my local library and honoured Enemy, On > >order, already had 52 holds (This is for all the city council libraries in > >Brisbane, Australia). Would you make the same profit from a book sold to a > >library as you would from a book sold to a retailer? > >CIAO, > > Aaron > > > As a library assistant, I've always thought the very same > question. I myself borrowed SOADQ from library, then fell in > love with Ray's work and went out to buy all the books, including > SOADQ. I could borrow all of Ray's books and not buy a one, but I > want to own them! But of course when a library has every book of > Ray's in stock, availabe for free to borrow, there's not much > motivation to buy them unless you're a die hard fan. > > But from experience, I'd say there are simply two types of > people, those who borrow the books from library (mostly children, > students and elder people) and those who buy them. :) > > Niko Korhonen  1, edited,, X-Coding-System: undecided-unix Mail-from: From owner-FEISTFANS-L@cornell.edu Thu Jul 26 09:49:34 2001 Return-path: Envelope-to: dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:49:34 +0100 Received: from moggie ([130.88.192.67] helo=moggie.cs.man.ac.uk ident=root) by mailhost with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #3) id 15Pgpp-0004Gp-00 for dfellows@mailhost.cs.man.ac.uk; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:49:33 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu by moggie.cs.man.ac.uk id JAA25663; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:48:33 +0100 Received: from elist01.mail.cornell.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by elist01.mail.cornell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA00174; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:28:11 -0400 (